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MikeWaters · 03-03-2011, 01:12 AM

There are only 2 things that could be worse about this:

1. Listening to the guys on CB talk about this. I have, of course, managed to avoid this.

2. Listenin to the guys on the MTN talk about this. Unfortunately, I will just have to cringe. I may mute.

ute4ever · 03-03-2011, 03:17 AM

Wow. Now the SL Trib and ESPN are both reporting that Davies was booted for having sex.

If it wasn't bad enough that he was already making headlines for being kicked out, now everyone is being told precisely what his offense was.

So much for the policy of the honor code office not disclosing details. Looks like someone at BYU has loose lips.

SeattleUte · 03-03-2011, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Pat Forde.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/column...pat&id=6175251

Most sports reporters aren't too bright.

Now you know what Jimmer et al. think of the Honor Code and BYU's justice.

MikeWaters · 03-03-2011, 04:36 AM

I'm afraid this team may be cooked. Davies is huge, huge, huge. He might even be the player with the most upside, most ability, most likely to play well in the NBA.

Davies to Anderson is just a ridiculous downgrade.

MikeWaters · 03-03-2011, 04:55 AM

I doubt the leak on the nature of the "crime" was the honor code office. Davies probably told a lot of friends, who told friends, etc.

Plus in some ways, it helps Davies. At least among the public in general. In the public's mind, it was likely something much worse, like academic cheating, using the N-word in a non-rap context, or saying "irregardless" rather than "regardless."

I vote that we have a witch-hunt at BYU. Drag every student in front of a tribunal and demand to know whether they have had sex, something like unto sex. And kick em all out.

We could use a cleansing in this church. NO SINNERS. We're the church of perfection. You get perfect by repenting and taking the sacrament every week, unless its sex of course. The sacrament doesn't work for that.

After we are done kicking out all the single folks that are fornicating, let's go after the married folks. And kick out all the ones that are being abstinent. Hell of a sin to be abstinent when you are married.

What else?

Are we to believe, really, that among all the BYU athletes, in the last 2 years or so, only 2 or 3 have had sex? How many are there? 1000? Surely there have been at least 10x time, if not 20x, or 30x.

Maybe BYU can do us all a favor, and fold up the entire operation, because it appears, by my count and observation, to encourage fornication. Penning up all those young kids together. Recipe for disaster.

Blow the whole thing up!

<sigh>

Is this really how we work? Just thoroughly embarrassing kids like this, instead of helping them turn their lives around privately?

I guarantee there are plenty of Bishops at BYU who are NOT turning kids in, who are not blowing up degrees and careers, but are helping them repent and do right.

I just hate to see bullsh*t fiascos like this.

ChinoCoug · 03-03-2011, 05:10 AM

we'red doomed. 18-pt loss.

SeattleUte · 03-03-2011, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I doubt the leak on the nature of the "crime" was the honor code office. Davies probably told a lot of friends, who told friends, etc.

Plus in some ways, it helps Davies. At least among the public in general. In the public's mind, it was likely something much worse, like academic cheating, using the N-word in a non-rap context, or saying "irregardless" rather than "regardless."

I vote that we have a witch-hunt at BYU. Drag every student in front of a tribunal and demand to know whether they have had sex, something like unto sex. And kick em all out.

We could use a cleansing in this church. NO SINNERS. We're the church of perfection. You get perfect by repenting and taking the sacrament every week, unless its sex of course. The sacrament doesn't work for that.

After we are done kicking out all the single folks that are fornicating, let's go after the married folks. And kick out all the ones that are being abstinent. Hell of a sin to be abstinent when you are married.

What else?

Are we to believe, really, that among all the BYU athletes, in the last 2 years or so, only 2 or 3 have had sex? How many are there? 1000? Surely there have been at least 10x time, if not 20x, or 30x.

Maybe BYU can do us all a favor, and fold up the entire operation, because it appears, by my count and observation, to encourage fornication. Penning up all those young kids together. Recipe for disaster.

Blow the whole thing up!

<sigh>

Is this really how we work? Just thoroughly embarrassing kids like this, instead of helping them turn their lives around privately?

I guarantee there are plenty of Bishops at BYU who are NOT turning kids in, who are not blowing up degrees and careers, but are helping them repent and do right.

I just hate to see bullsh*t fiascos like this.

good job

ute4ever · 03-03-2011, 05:51 PM

Please help me to understand something here.

When an LDS majority rallied in unison to oppose gay marriage, they did so under the scope of preserving the sanctity of marriage and moral values. Moreover, many joined the cause for obedience reasons, seeing it as following the prophet.

And now what I find so striking is that many members of that very same circle are calling for leniency and amnesty in regards to their star athlete. Davies failed to meet a standard of chastity and virtue, yet the process of honor code enforcement is suddenly under scrutiny.

And moreover, wouldn't the prophet, who is trustee-in-trust of BYU, have had the final say in reviewing, modifying and approving said honor code? The very same prophet who was followed in one instance, but now being constructively criticized under the same umbrella? Would things have gone differently in 2008 if the gay community pulled in 6.2 rebounds per game?

MikeWaters · 03-03-2011, 06:03 PM

from whence do you get the sense that Mormons are wanting leniency?

ute4ever · 03-03-2011, 06:30 PM

Not Mormons as a whole, but from many, due to discussions at Institute this morning, callers on Jim Rome the last two days, reader comments on the SL Trib website, facebook threads, etc. Many feel bad for Davies and applaud BYU for holding to their standards, while others say the punishments for honor code violations are too extreme and should be held behind closed ecclesiastical doors, which would allow Davies to keep playing basketball while working out his spiritual matters in private.

03-03-2011, 05:10 AM	#16
ChinoCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NOVA Posts: 3,005	we'red doomed. 18-pt loss. __________________ 太初有道

03-03-2011, 01:12 AM	#11
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	There are only 2 things that could be worse about this: 1. Listening to the guys on CB talk about this. I have, of course, managed to avoid this. 2. Listenin to the guys on the MTN talk about this. Unfortunately, I will just have to cringe. I may mute.

03-03-2011, 03:17 AM	#12
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	Wow. Now the SL Trib and ESPN are both reporting that Davies was booted for having sex. If it wasn't bad enough that he was already making headlines for being kicked out, now everyone is being told precisely what his offense was. So much for the policy of the honor code office not disclosing details. Looks like someone at BYU has loose lips.

03-03-2011, 04:36 AM	#14
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm afraid this team may be cooked. Davies is huge, huge, huge. He might even be the player with the most upside, most ability, most likely to play well in the NBA. Davies to Anderson is just a ridiculous downgrade.

03-03-2011, 04:55 AM	#15
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I doubt the leak on the nature of the "crime" was the honor code office. Davies probably told a lot of friends, who told friends, etc. Plus in some ways, it helps Davies. At least among the public in general. In the public's mind, it was likely something much worse, like academic cheating, using the N-word in a non-rap context, or saying "irregardless" rather than "regardless." I vote that we have a witch-hunt at BYU. Drag every student in front of a tribunal and demand to know whether they have had sex, something like unto sex. And kick em all out. We could use a cleansing in this church. NO SINNERS. We're the church of perfection. You get perfect by repenting and taking the sacrament every week, unless its sex of course. The sacrament doesn't work for that. After we are done kicking out all the single folks that are fornicating, let's go after the married folks. And kick out all the ones that are being abstinent. Hell of a sin to be abstinent when you are married. What else? Are we to believe, really, that among all the BYU athletes, in the last 2 years or so, only 2 or 3 have had sex? How many are there? 1000? Surely there have been at least 10x time, if not 20x, or 30x. Maybe BYU can do us all a favor, and fold up the entire operation, because it appears, by my count and observation, to encourage fornication. Penning up all those young kids together. Recipe for disaster. Blow the whole thing up! <sigh> Is this really how we work? Just thoroughly embarrassing kids like this, instead of helping them turn their lives around privately? I guarantee there are plenty of Bishops at BYU who are NOT turning kids in, who are not blowing up degrees and careers, but are helping them repent and do right. I just hate to see bullsh*t fiascos like this.

03-03-2011, 05:51 PM	#18
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	Please help me to understand something here. When an LDS majority rallied in unison to oppose gay marriage, they did so under the scope of preserving the sanctity of marriage and moral values. Moreover, many joined the cause for obedience reasons, seeing it as following the prophet. And now what I find so striking is that many members of that very same circle are calling for leniency and amnesty in regards to their star athlete. Davies failed to meet a standard of chastity and virtue, yet the process of honor code enforcement is suddenly under scrutiny. And moreover, wouldn't the prophet, who is trustee-in-trust of BYU, have had the final say in reviewing, modifying and approving said honor code? The very same prophet who was followed in one instance, but now being constructively criticized under the same umbrella? Would things have gone differently in 2008 if the gay community pulled in 6.2 rebounds per game?

03-03-2011, 06:03 PM	#19
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	from whence do you get the sense that Mormons are wanting leniency?

03-03-2011, 06:30 PM	#20
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	Not Mormons as a whole, but from many, due to discussions at Institute this morning, callers on Jim Rome the last two days, reader comments on the SL Trib website, facebook threads, etc. Many feel bad for Davies and applaud BYU for holding to their standards, while others say the punishments for honor code violations are too extreme and should be held behind closed ecclesiastical doors, which would allow Davies to keep playing basketball while working out his spiritual matters in private.