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Lost Student · 09-17-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Charlie Weiss blew through Willingham's team that Willingham painstakingly assembled at Notre Dame and was deprived of maximizing, looking like a million bucks on Willingham's labors. Now ND fans are seeing the true Weiss while Willingham is rebuilding UW's national program while UW fans remain patient. Is BM BYU's Weiss?

I thought Crowton was our Willingham.

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Oh come now, Utenation is presently similar to sailors at a Pearl Harbor brothel after a six month sea tour. SeattleUte is the foremost "minuteman" in the group. They are taking their shots, but alas their energy is expended after but a few thrusts. We, no different than the women of illrepute at said brothel, take their feeble thrusts while really getting no pleasure out of it. I don't even think we get paid.

I think Brother Neeleman and Veritas are already on the back veranda smoking cigarettes and dropping fireside jokes.

How much of this post is literal and how much is figurative?

DapperDan · 09-18-2007, 12:00 AM

This is silly. The UCLA and Tulsa games exposed two things about BYU.

1. We have a QB in his first year as a starter

2. We have a bad secondary

We knew both of these things going into the season. I don't see why everyone is so surprised.

SoCalCoug · 09-18-2007, 12:02 AM

No. There was a defensive breakdown, due to the talent level BYU has. I'll give him a mulligan after what he's done to mask the defensive weaknesses over the past year. If they've been playing above their talent level on such a consistent basis, is it really that big of a negative that a good offensive team exposed it?

MikeWaters · 09-18-2007, 12:06 AM

I don't blame the defense per se. I blame the defensive coach. It was mental breakdowns, not athleticism that did us in.

myboynoah · 09-18-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DapperDan

This is silly. The UCLA and Tulsa games exposed two things about BYU.

1. We have a QB in his first year as a starter

2. We have a bad secondary

We knew both of these things going into the season. I don't see why everyone is so surprised.

Yeah, very true. Everybody take you're hands of the strings; well, everbody but you SU, go ahead and pull away.

il Padrino Ute · 09-18-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You see this kind of thing happen all the time. Tampa Bay immediately post-Dungy. UW, Neuheisal's early years. Of course Urban Meyer has made a career off of it, though he seems to be great in his own right. Some of the older posters will remember when Redd Miller took John Ralston's Broncos team to the Super Bowl.

That was the Denver team with Craig Mortensen, Otis Armstrong, Haven Moses and Riley Odem, wasn't it?

il Padrino Ute · 09-18-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Outside of Miami 1990, what game during the LaVell era qualifies under this description?

How about Texas A&M when Marc Wilson was QB? Or Notre Dame in South Bend under Holtz? Or Arizona State under Frank Kush before ASU and UA went to the PAC 10? Or several games in the '84 season? Or even Utah in Lavell's last regular season game?

Indy Coug · 09-18-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

How about Texas A&M when Marc Wilson was QB? Or Notre Dame in South Bend under Holtz? Or Arizona State under Frank Kush before ASU and UA went to the PAC 10? Or several games in the '84 season? Or even Utah in Lavell's last regular season game?

A&M ended up not being good in 1979 (6-5). ND was 6-5-1 in 1994. 1984 was the worst SOS schedule BYU has had in the last 27 years. Utah was not better than BYU in 2000.

IOW, none of those outside of possibly the vague ASU/UA example qualifies under the "better team" clause that Mike Waters stated.

MikeWaters · 09-18-2007, 12:53 PM

Wait, we've only had one or two legitimate upsets in 30 years? that's sad.

Indy Coug · 09-18-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Wait, we've only had one or two legitimate upsets in 30 years? that's sad.

There are only 3 OOC opponents that BYU has ever beaten with 9 or more wins. I'm not sure Kansas State qualifies as an upset. ASU 1997 was definitely an upset since that BYU team crawled to a 6-5 record.

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Season	Team	Opponent	PF	PA	W/L	Wins	Losses	Ties
1997	BYU	Arizona St.	13	10	W	9	3	0
1996	BYU	Kansas St.	19	15	W	9	3	0
1990	BYU	Miami (FL)	28	21	W	10	2	0

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09-18-2007, 12:02 AM	#23
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	No. There was a defensive breakdown, due to the talent level BYU has. I'll give him a mulligan after what he's done to mask the defensive weaknesses over the past year. If they've been playing above their talent level on such a consistent basis, is it really that big of a negative that a good offensive team exposed it? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

09-18-2007, 12:00 AM	#22
DapperDan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 39	This is silly. The UCLA and Tulsa games exposed two things about BYU. 1. We have a QB in his first year as a starter 2. We have a bad secondary We knew both of these things going into the season. I don't see why everyone is so surprised.

09-18-2007, 12:06 AM	#24
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't blame the defense per se. I blame the defensive coach. It was mental breakdowns, not athleticism that did us in.

09-18-2007, 12:53 PM	#29
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Wait, we've only had one or two legitimate upsets in 30 years? that's sad.