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MikeWaters · 10-23-2007, 02:08 AM

has little to do with BYU.

I'm depressed because the conference SUCKS, IS GETTING WORSE, AND WILL ALWAYS SUCK.

Man is it depressing.

Not only are the games not on TV, but the sad truth is that I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THEM ANYWAY. I don't care about any team in the conference, and neither does anyone else that aren't alumni.

We can win out the season and not even know if we are a good team!!!!!!

It's a good thing I am not in charge of things. I would leave the conference, and announce it in the post-game press conference after Utah.

SteelBlue · 10-23-2007, 02:13 AM

Mike, the weird thing is that it seems you're just figuring this out. I've known this since the 80's.

woot · 10-23-2007, 02:18 AM

It's hard to disagree. Even if they get the MTN distributed nationally in HD next season, the conference is still lame as ever. I don't have any faith in the leadership of BYU, but if they have any concern for the wellbeing of the program, they'll push for a conference realignment and a new TV deal at the very least before next season.

Even then, the fact is that BYU will forever be at a disadvantage unless they can get into a BCS conference, and I frankly wouldn't blame a conference full of research institutions for not wanting to accept a school that forces hair styles onto its students into their conference.

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

has little to do with BYU.

I'm depressed because the conference SUCKS, IS GETTING WORSE, AND WILL ALWAYS SUCK.

Man is it depressing.

Not only are the games not on TV, but the sad truth is that I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THEM ANYWAY. I don't care about any team in the conference, and neither does anyone else that aren't alumni.

We can win out the season and not even know if we are a good team!!!!!!

It's a good thing I am not in charge of things. I would leave the conference, and announce it in the post-game press conference after Utah.

Well, as much as you post about A&M, why don't you just give up and move over to a big school in a big time league and be done with BYU once and for all and stop pissing and moaning about this on a daily basis.

Holy shit, you're worse than BYU71.

TripletDaddy · 10-23-2007, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Mike, the weird thing is that it seems you're just figuring this out. I've known this since the 80's.

This is what I don't understand. Where the heck has mike been all this time? Even in the year we won a national championship, everyone made fun of the team because we played such a lousy schedule.

Also, if we were to "leave" the conference, where would we go?

Stop being frustrated that BYU plays a crappy schedule. Just be glad that we enjoy a level of dominance amongst piss poor competition. The second we get an invite to join a BCS conference, we will. Until then, you should be more frustrated that A&M plays in a better, respected conference but usually underachieves.

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:09 AM

Mwc 2007 > Wac 1984

jay santos · 10-23-2007, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Mwc 2007 > Wac 1984

Harmon has forced this down our throats for so long I think we accept it without question. I'm not so sure.

1984 Massey computer model

6 BYU
29 UNLV
34 AFA
50 TCU
62 Hawaii
69 Utah
76 UTEP
82 SDSU
84 New Mexico
89 Wyoming
95 CSU

2007 avg computer ranking

37 BYU
46 AFA
52 New Mexico
53 Utah
61 Wyoming
69 TCU
95 SDSU
102 CSU
103 UNLV

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay santos

Harmon has forced this down our throats for so long I think we accept it without question. I'm not so sure.

1984 Massey computer model

6 BYU
29 UNLV
34 AFA
50 TCU
62 Hawaii
69 Utah
76 UTEP
82 SDSU
84 New Mexico
89 Wyoming
95 CSU

2007 avg computer ranking

37 BYU
46 AFA
52 New Mexico
53 Utah
61 Wyoming
69 TCU
95 SDSU
102 CSU
103 UNLV

UNLV and TCU weren't in the WAC in 1984. Furthermore, there were fewer teams in 1-A in 1984 than today.

UTEP was 76th in 1984? They went 2-9 and allowed more than twice as many points as they scored.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data....php?year=1980

jay santos · 10-23-2007, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

UNLV and TCU weren't in the WAC in 1984. Furthermore, there were fewer teams in 1-A in 1984 than today.

UTEP was 76th in 1984? They went 2-9 and allowed more than twice as many points as they scored.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data....php?year=1980

Yes I'm aware who was in the WAC in '84. I put them in there for informational purposes. I believe there were 102 teams in D1A in 1984 compared to 120 today, but I could be wrong. If you're doing an analysis with hard data, I'd guess you could probably show that 80's WAC was weaker than MWC today, but I doubt it would be as significant as Harmon/Crowton/that whole apologist gang would tell you.

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay santos

Yes I'm aware who was in the WAC in '84. I put them in there for informational purposes. I believe there were 102 teams in D1A in 1984 compared to 120 today, but I could be wrong. If you're doing an analysis with hard data, I'd guess you could probably show that 80's WAC was weaker than MWC today, but I doubt it would be as significant as Harmon/Crowton/that whole apologist gang would tell you.

If Massey ranked UTEP 76th in 1984, I honestly have to wonder about his rankings.

10-23-2007, 02:08 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The reason I am so depressed about BYU has little to do with BYU. I'm depressed because the conference SUCKS, IS GETTING WORSE, AND WILL ALWAYS SUCK. Man is it depressing. Not only are the games not on TV, but the sad truth is that I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THEM ANYWAY. I don't care about any team in the conference, and neither does anyone else that aren't alumni. We can win out the season and not even know if we are a good team!!!!!! It's a good thing I am not in charge of things. I would leave the conference, and announce it in the post-game press conference after Utah.

10-23-2007, 02:13 AM	#2
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	Mike, the weird thing is that it seems you're just figuring this out. I've known this since the 80's.

10-23-2007, 02:18 AM	#3
woot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,502	It's hard to disagree. Even if they get the MTN distributed nationally in HD next season, the conference is still lame as ever. I don't have any faith in the leadership of BYU, but if they have any concern for the wellbeing of the program, they'll push for a conference realignment and a new TV deal at the very least before next season. Even then, the fact is that BYU will forever be at a disadvantage unless they can get into a BCS conference, and I frankly wouldn't blame a conference full of research institutions for not wanting to accept a school that forces hair styles onto its students into their conference.

10-23-2007, 03:09 AM	#6
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Mwc 2007 > Wac 1984