My problem with the Collie quote

[mpfunk]

My wife was reading the comment over my shoulder, and her reaction to the comment was that Collie was saying that God intervened in the victory. I think this is a very dangerous road to go down and one that is frankly contrary to the Gospel.

Success in life is not connected to righteousness. A person can be a great person, live every commandment to the best of his abilities, and still not be a great success in life. It happens. Collie didn't just thank God as some BYU fans want to characterize it as, he said God intervened in the game. He is saying they won because they are righteous. Well if you play that game, really doesn't that mean when BYU lost it must be because they are sinning?

This is the same type of ridiculous thought that has people going into debt to get that boat that Brother Jones got, so they look righteous and successful like Brother Jones. It is a dangerous thought process.

Not only that Collie when he makes comments like that, seems like the type that had no problem telling me when I was growing up that I wasn't a good Mormon because I was a Ute fan.

By the way Collie should go read the Book of Job.

[MikeWaters]

So if you have off the field problems, those have no chance of impacting a team?

Kind of a bizarre position to take IMO, given all the crimes and suspensions, academic ineligibility, etc. in todays college football.

[TheSizzle36]

Funk, you are letting the quote get to you. Your biggest problem with the quote is that BYU won. Let it slide...

[exUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So if you have off the field problems, those have no chance of impacting a team?

Kind of a bizarre position to take IMO, given all the crimes and suspensions, academic ineligibility, etc. in todays college football.

from Collie, that was the clear intention of what he said.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So if you have off the field problems, those have no chance of impacting a team?

Kind of a bizarre position to take IMO, given all the crimes and suspensions, academic ineligibility, etc. in todays college football.

I don't have a problem if Collie says that living right helps them be more successful. The problem I have is Collie saying that God intervened in the game. That is the problem I have with it. That is why Collie's thinking is off base.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by exUte

from Collie, that was the clear intention of what he said.

Well if that was his clear intention, why didn't he say that. He said that God intervened.

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

I don't have a problem if Collie says that living right helps them be more successful. The problem I have is Collie saying that God intervened in the game. That is the problem I have with it. That is why Collie's thinking is off base.

Do you have the Collie quote where he mentions God? I've looked and haven't seen it. I'm interested in seeing what he said.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

My wife was reading the comment over my shoulder, and her reaction to the comment was that Collie was saying that God intervened in the victory. I think this is a very dangerous road to go down and one that is frankly contrary to the Gospel.

Success in life is not connected to righteousness. A person can be a great person, live every commandment to the best of his abilities, and still not be a great success in life. It happens. Collie didn't just thank God as some BYU fans want to characterize it as, he said God intervened in the game. He is saying they won because they are righteous. Well if you play that game, really doesn't that mean when BYU lost it must be because they are sinning?

This is the same type of ridiculous thought that has people going into debt to get that boat that Brother Jones got, so they look righteous and successful like Brother Jones. It is a dangerous thought process.

Not only that Collie when he makes comments like that, seems like the type that had no problem telling me when I was growing up that I wasn't a good Mormon because I was a Ute fan.

By the way Collie should go read the Book of Job.

Why is it ok for Utes to call BYU fans f....ing Mormons, but Collie can't refer to God. Did Dungy get the same kind of crap when he brought God into the Colts success last year. Athletes do it all the time.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by TheSizzle36

Funk, you are letting the quote get to you. Your biggest problem with the quote is that BYU won. Let it slide...

Sizzle as someone who had adults tell me, when I was a kid, that I wasn't a good Mormon because I was a Ute fan. No the problem I have with that quote isn't that BYU won.

The problem is the type of thought process quotes like that generate.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

Sizzle as someone who had adults tell me, when I was a kid, that I wasn't a good Mormon because I was a Ute fan. No the problem I have with that quote isn't that BYU won.

The problem is the type of thought process quotes like that generate.

Weddle's success on the field was due to their success off the field. I think they were blessed with physical talents to perform at a higher level. Were they blessed, sure.