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[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Archaea

A large part of what you say is true, but you ignore the hostile staff segment of the U. That exists as well. That element will prevent a full embrace by local members. It's also part of its appeal, it does not fully embrace the Church, so in a way it courts that element.

If I'm ignoring any hostility by the staff at the U, it is out of ignorance. I've never been a student there. I can only make my observation based on what Utah grads have told me.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

To the extent that people do not get hired at the Univ. of Utah simply because they are Mormon, no matter what their personal beliefs on history, science, gay, etc. are, that will make many Mormons look at the institution dimly.

Because I am not involved in the world of academia, I ask this:

How much influence does Michael Young, the President of the University of Utah and devout Mormon have in the hiring of Professors?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Articles like this are par for the course at the Univ. of Utah it seems:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon141.html

Why should "LDS Studies" necessarily be part of the U of U's mission? I'm not even sure there's enough material to fill a single course, for that matter.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Because I am not involved in the world of academia, I ask this:

How much influence does Michael Young, the President of the University of Utah and devout Mormon have in the hiring of Professors?

Moron, if they didn't get hired for being Mormons the U of U would be violating federal labor laws. Waters is baiting you. His evidence is that they didn't think Quinn was a worthy hire. Big deal. Tenure track positions are incredibly competitive in case you didn't know. I doubt anyone could get to first base making a case that the U of U didn't hire him because he was LDS.

YOur point about Young can be made more diretly. The U of U hired a qualified academic LDS as its president.

I'd say mostly the U of U ignores the LDS Church. It's of no moment to the U of U. The LDS Church, though, hates the U of U's academic culture.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Moron, if they didn't get hired for being Mormons the U of U would be violating federal labor laws. Waters is baiting you. His evidence is that they didn't think Quinn was a worthy hire. Big deal. Tenure track positions are incredibly competitive in case you didn't know. I doubt anyone could get to first base making a case that the U of U didn't hire him because he was LDS.

YOur point about Young can be made more diretly. The U of U hired a qualified academic LDS as its president.

I'd say mostly the U of U ignores the LDS Church. It's of no moment to the U of U. The LDS Church, though, hates the U of U's academic culture.

Reverse trolling. Very nice, but not subtle.

[Ma'ake]

U's fan base is growing nicely with rowdy blue-collar fans and good LDS fans in their historic proportions. In my 95% LDS neighborhood Ute fans outnumber Y fans 10-to-1.

Be yourself at the U, as a student, parent, fan, financial supporter. No pretense, no narcs.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

U's fan base is growing nicely with rowdy blue-collar fans and good LDS fans in their historic proportions. In my 95% LDS neighborhood Ute fans outnumber Y fans 10-to-1.

Be yourself at the U, as a student, parent, fan, financial supporter. No pretense, no narcs.

Tell that to the Avenue Ute fans. Thanks for the laugh.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

U's fan base is growing nicely with rowdy blue-collar fans and good LDS fans in their historic proportions. In my 95% LDS neighborhood Ute fans outnumber Y fans 10-to-1.

Be yourself at the U, as a student, parent, fan, financial supporter. No pretense, no narcs.

This is an excellent point. Waters says that the Utes have a tiny fan base. I'd like to test that propostion. I've seen here in Washington that the Huskies have many fans outside students and alumni. It's the community team, and has a lot of blue collar support, etc. This seems it could be especially true in a market like SLC with no pro team. Utah is and can be the alternative to BYU. Utah's real team.

Utah has 27,000 students, roughly the same as BYU, and there are millions of people in Utah unaffiliated with BYU. But Utah has a tradition that bascially goes back to 1994, or, even, 2003. I bet Utah has a larger fan base than people think. If they make a BCS bowl a near annual tradition (not unattainable in the MWC) the fan base will become more evident.

[MikeWaters]

Millions of people in Utah unaffiliated with byu?

2.7 million people in Utah.

Utah suffers from what all commuter bedroom schools suffer from--lack of strong support from students and alumni. Too many people who attended merely out of convenience and price.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Millions of people in Utah unaffiliated with byu?

2.7 million people in Utah.

Utah suffers from what all commuter bedroom schools suffer from--lack of strong support from students and alumni. Too many people who attended merely out of convenience and price.

Utah and Washington are very similar. Except Washington state doesn't legislatively require admission standards be relaxed for instaters. Utah is a poor man's Washington right now.