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MikeWaters · 07-21-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

al-Qaeda believes the central front in the war on terror is Iraq.

AlQ to America: "Iraq is the most important place for America to be, it's the key!"

GOP: "See, Al Qaeda says it is the most important place, we must focus there!"

landpoke · 07-21-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Iraq under Saddam wasn't broke?

But to your point, no. It was a functioning state that controlled it's territory. You might not have liked how they did it, but if that's our criteria for broke and fixed there's a whole lotta broke places out there.

And as '71 said, how is that relevant to the debate? My point is WE took a functioning nation-state and broke it. It's our job to undue the harm and make it work again. Hopefully as a functioning liberal democracy in the classic sense of the term.

Tex · 07-21-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

AlQ to America: "Iraq is the most important place for America to be, it's the key!"

Actually I think it was a secret communique to its lieutenants in Iraq that we intercepted. I don't have it in front of me, but I remember the language seemed to indicate that losing Iraq to America would be a critical blow.

landpoke · 07-21-2008, 03:39 PM

And just for the record I was and still am not a supporter of our Iraq invasion. I thought it was a distraction from where the real action was and is. That being said I really do believe that it would speak very poorly of us as a nation and people if we left Iraq before it was once again a functioning nation-state. We made the problem, we are morally obligated to fix it.

SeattleUte · 07-21-2008, 03:41 PM

Last I checked the organization murdering Iraqis and Americans in Iraq called itself Al Qaeda.

MikeWaters · 07-21-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Last I checked the organization murdering Iraqis and Americans in Iraq called itself Al Qaeda.

link?

MikeWaters · 07-21-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Actually I think it was a secret communique to its lieutenants in Iraq that we intercepted. I don't have it in front of me, but I remember the language seemed to indicate that losing Iraq to America would be a critical blow.

actually killing the commanders involved with the communique seems like the more critical blow.

But who knows. This is GOP fantasy land logic we are dealing with.

Cali Coug · 07-21-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by landpoke

So you were for the invasion?

Are you assuming that we have to support an invasion of every country that is broken?

BYU71 · 07-21-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Are you assuming that we have to support an invasion of every country that is broken?

Only the ones that have huge strategic impact on us would be my opinion.

MikeWaters · 07-21-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

Only the ones that have huge strategic impact on us would be my opinion.

so you are for pre-emptive wars in which their is no direct threat to America?

[God help us that not even Iraq can change people's minds about this]

07-21-2008, 03:39 PM	#14
landpoke Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Central God's Country Posts: 1,534	And just for the record I was and still am not a supporter of our Iraq invasion. I thought it was a distraction from where the real action was and is. That being said I really do believe that it would speak very poorly of us as a nation and people if we left Iraq before it was once again a functioning nation-state. We made the problem, we are morally obligated to fix it. __________________ I see a hobo. And when I see the hobo, I think to myself, "This man is poor. His monetary value is low, and my monetary value is high, and it's a shame that he is himself. What can I do?"

07-21-2008, 03:41 PM	#15
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Last I checked the organization murdering Iraqis and Americans in Iraq called itself Al Qaeda. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster