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mpfunk · 08-25-2005, 04:16 AM

Anyone on this site a fan of hip-hop and looking forward to the Kanye West release next week? I think his first album is about 50% classic stuff and 50% garbage so hopefully he can be a little more consistent this time. Mainly I'm excited because the new Common album he produced is just a classic album.

MikeWaters · 08-25-2005, 04:26 AM

you saw three people here say they owned Rutter albums ("sacred music"). You must be very optmistic to think this is a bastian of hip-hop-ism. :)

UtahDan · 08-25-2005, 04:30 AM

I am somewhat of a "Fity" fan.

Archaea · 08-25-2005, 04:32 AM

hip hop.

I enjoy Eight Mile as I could kinda understand their drift.

My complaint about hip hop is that it's all percussion, no harmony, no melody and no complex keys.

It often promotes profanity for the sake of profanity, violence and hate. What's its purpose?

Educate us older folk.

mpfunk · 08-25-2005, 04:38 AM

Yes I figured my call for fellow hip-hop fans would probably not go through. As far as educating on hip-hop, I think the large majority of it is absolute crap. However, there is some of it that is very good IMO.

There is a segment of hip-hop that is really an evolution on jazz music. Lots of samples of jazz music and some have gone with live jazz instrumentation. This is the stuff that I am more of a fan of. It at times tends to have a little more melody and is not just percussion. Also the rappers approach the verses like a jazz artist would a solo, not just going up and yelling.

I agree though some of it promotes obscenity and misognyistic ideas that I do not like. Most of the stuff that is generally played on the radio is this type of stuff.

Archaea · 08-25-2005, 04:48 AM

so now you're talking my language.

give us some examples.

UtahDan · 08-25-2005, 04:53 AM

what I can say is that I don't think I can make you understand the attraction by reducing it to its component parts. Some of the beats just sounds cool. Some of the rappers just have voices that are interesting. Some of the lyrics are just catchy.

I don't think Rock and Roll is much different really in terms of how hard it is too put your finger on why it is so appealing. It just is.

Lawyer to Lawyer I hope you can appreciate that response: it covered everything and didn't answer the question at all. :-)

Archaea · 08-25-2005, 04:59 AM

and some cool voices, Robert Plant.

I just hate the f that you mother fer and f u and f that sound of hiphop.

I can do without Hate Speech for the sake of hate. I get enough of that from Howard Dean.

mpfunk · 08-25-2005, 05:03 AM

Best example is the album by Digable Planets: Blowout Comb. Probably the best hip-hop album off all time in my book. One unfortunate problem though the group members are Black Panthers and thus very militant in their views.

Blackalicious: Nia. This is hip-hop with a melody in much of it not just percussion and beats. Also a good example of positive message in the music. A lot of it is about spirituality and the lyrics are really against the current state of hip-hop. A good sample of this is the song Shallow Days. You can see the lyrics for it here. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/black...allowdays.html

As far as something more mainstream the Fugees album: The Score from 1996.

Just a few off the top of my head.

fusnik11 · 08-25-2005, 02:49 PM

and am not overly excited about his new album.

i enjoy kanye west and will probably end up with the cd but i can wait. i dont like the diamonds are forever song.

08-25-2005, 04:16 AM	#1
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	Any hip-hop fans out there Anyone on this site a fan of hip-hop and looking forward to the Kanye West release next week? I think his first album is about 50% classic stuff and 50% garbage so hopefully he can be a little more consistent this time. Mainly I'm excited because the new Common album he produced is just a classic album.

08-25-2005, 04:30 AM	#3
UtahDan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Bluth Home Posts: 3,877	I am not ashamed to admit that... I am somewhat of a "Fity" fan. __________________ The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. -Galileo

08-25-2005, 04:32 AM	#4
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	other than Eight Mile, I don't understand hip hop. I enjoy Eight Mile as I could kinda understand their drift. My complaint about hip hop is that it's all percussion, no harmony, no melody and no complex keys. It often promotes profanity for the sake of profanity, violence and hate. What's its purpose? Educate us older folk.

08-25-2005, 04:48 AM	#6
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Jazz I sorta understand so now you're talking my language. give us some examples.

08-25-2005, 04:53 AM	#7
UtahDan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Bluth Home Posts: 3,877	Archaea I am not a huge fan but... what I can say is that I don't think I can make you understand the attraction by reducing it to its component parts. Some of the beats just sounds cool. Some of the rappers just have voices that are interesting. Some of the lyrics are just catchy. I don't think Rock and Roll is much different really in terms of how hard it is too put your finger on why it is so appealing. It just is. Lawyer to Lawyer I hope you can appreciate that response: it covered everything and didn't answer the question at all. :-) __________________ The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. -Galileo

08-25-2005, 04:26 AM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	you saw three people here say they owned Rutter albums ("sacred music"). You must be very optmistic to think this is a bastian of hip-hop-ism. :)

08-25-2005, 04:38 AM	#5
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	Yes I figured my call for fellow hip-hop fans would probably not go through. As far as educating on hip-hop, I think the large majority of it is absolute crap. However, there is some of it that is very good IMO. There is a segment of hip-hop that is really an evolution on jazz music. Lots of samples of jazz music and some have gone with live jazz instrumentation. This is the stuff that I am more of a fan of. It at times tends to have a little more melody and is not just percussion. Also the rappers approach the verses like a jazz artist would a solo, not just going up and yelling. I agree though some of it promotes obscenity and misognyistic ideas that I do not like. Most of the stuff that is generally played on the radio is this type of stuff.

08-25-2005, 04:59 AM	#8
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	true, but rock and roll has a large variety of topics and some cool voices, Robert Plant. I just hate the f that you mother fer and f u and f that sound of hiphop. I can do without Hate Speech for the sake of hate. I get enough of that from Howard Dean.

08-25-2005, 05:03 AM	#9
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	Best example is the album by Digable Planets: Blowout Comb. Probably the best hip-hop album off all time in my book. One unfortunate problem though the group members are Black Panthers and thus very militant in their views. Blackalicious: Nia. This is hip-hop with a melody in much of it not just percussion and beats. Also a good example of positive message in the music. A lot of it is about spirituality and the lyrics are really against the current state of hip-hop. A good sample of this is the song Shallow Days. You can see the lyrics for it here. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/black...allowdays.html As far as something more mainstream the Fugees album: The Score from 1996. Just a few off the top of my head.

08-25-2005, 02:49 PM	#10
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	i am a fan..... and am not overly excited about his new album. i enjoy kanye west and will probably end up with the cd but i can wait. i dont like the diamonds are forever song.