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Archaea · 01-03-2006, 03:14 PM

Many romantic writers feel compelled to write the proverbial unrequitted love novel, screenplay, ect. This aspect of love, an icon for years in European literature, maybe because the royals were so spoiled they had to think up worries, has always perplexed me.

And after the first two dozen, it's time to go watch a good war flick.

I can appreciate the fact that good writers can write about boring topics. Happens all the time.

So far the argument is, "Hey the writer is good, so the story may hold somebody's interest." Not a completely specious point of view, but gay men humping still turns me off.

And although, I won't avoid a movie with normal sexual innuendo or content, I won't seek it out for it either. On average, I see 50 to 60 movies per year, so I see a lot of junk, but so little is new stuff.

Original stuff, which now has been repeated, was stuff like,

Apocalypse Now
Memento
even Vanilla Sky
Saving Private Ryan
All Quiet of the Eastern Front
The Man Who Knew Too Much

even the Village offered something

Most movies about romance fail to express much, because where that emotion is involved, the writing tends to fall into tired formulae.

myboynoah · 01-03-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

Is it the Banned-in-Boston syndrome?

Geeze, art critics say its good so we must all agree?

Cowboys partaking of forbidden love? Do we next see a film about a cowboy and his pet sheep?

Will PETA protest or support that one?

Is it taking animal love too far?

Wow, Arch, you are on a roll.

The French see the lack of an overt negative response to the movie as Americans coming to grips (in a positive way) with gay culture in the U.S. After that Bush-election debacle, we are finally making a comeback in their eyes.

That the movie elicits sympathy for the two "pardners'" plight shows how effective a piece of propaganda this can become. Would the same emotions have come from unrequited love between two transsexuals? Two hairdressers? Two Broadway dancers? Or even two computer programmers?

Take two good looking guys, dress 'em up as cowboys, and show beautiful scenes of Wyoming and you can sell just about anything in America. Even cigarettes.

The plan is working.

ute4ever · 01-03-2006, 05:55 PM

Next there will be a film about father-daughter incest, which the "critics" will praise because it "beautifully" captures the heart-warming relationship of love and understanding between two of god's children. That and the role of the 14 year old will be played by an 18 year old, so technically the love scenes will be "okay."

With Bea Arthur amongst the many academy award winners as the all-wise grandmother.

Archaea · 01-03-2006, 06:15 PM

The next heartwarmer will involve Jeffrey Dahmer, how misunderstood he was, or how Armin Meiwes did the right thing.

All you need is a capable writer, sympathetic actors, beautiful landscape and Hollywood will accept anything as artistic.

Imagine how tear wrenching Armin cannibalizing Bernd Jurgen would be.

fusnik11 · 01-03-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

The next heartwarmer will involve Jeffrey Dahmer, how misunderstood he was, or how Armin Meiwes did the right thing.

All you need is a capable writer, sympathetic actors, beautiful landscape and Hollywood will accept anything as artistic.

Imagine how tear wrenching Armin cannibalizing Bernd Jurgen would be.

arch, stop buddy...

intellectually the movie poses many valid questions.

how does one reconcile sexual, intimate feelings for a man and live a life one is suppose to live?

how important are our sexual feelings and behaviors as they pertain to our normal lives we live?

are sexual feelings exclusive to the physical needs we possess, or do they extend to the emotional as well?

how important is it be to be true to our feelings?

how does one in love avoid the pitfalls of self destructive behavior?

the movie causes reflection on all of these questions. questions which i find important to both hetero and homosexual relations.

fuegote · 01-03-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

Next there will be a film about father-daughter incest, which the "critics" will praise because it "beautifully" captures the heart-warming relationship of love and understanding between two of god's children. That and the role of the 14 year old will be played by an 18 year old, so technically the love scenes will be "okay."

With Bea Arthur amongst the many academy award winners as the all-wise grandmother.

didn't "Birth" come out last year?
the incest part was wrong, but there was a "near scene" with Kidman and this kid in Birth.

Archaea · 01-03-2006, 06:28 PM

Oops, they did make a movie about Meiwes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

ute4ever · 01-03-2006, 06:55 PM

And I guess American Beauty was quite similar to my hypothetical.....and it cleaned house at the Oscars.

We need to have compassion on all of the baby boomers who fall for their daughters' cheerleader friends.

Archaea · 01-03-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fusnik11

arch, stop buddy...

intellectually the movie poses many valid questions.

how does one reconcile sexual, intimate feelings for a man and live a life one is suppose to live?

how important are our sexual feelings and behaviors as they pertain to our normal lives we live?

are sexual feelings exclusive to the physical needs we possess, or do they extend to the emotional as well?

how important is it be to be true to our feelings?

how does one in love avoid the pitfalls of self destructive behavior?

the movie causes reflection on all of these questions. questions which i find important to both hetero and homosexual relations.

So in other words, it's a touchy, feely flick with not much intellectualism. None of those question are deep, thought-provoking queries.

I can understand why it doesn't interest me. And using something alien, and revolting, isn't a way to draw the mainstream in.

Bottom line is: it's about two cowboys humping, feeling conflicted about humping instead of feeling good cuz they could have humped some gals. Geeze, a conscience is such a horrible thing to waste.

Archaea · 01-03-2006, 07:21 PM

[quote="fusnik11"]
intellectually the movie poses many valid questions.

how important is it be to be true to our feelings?

This one cracks me up. It really caught fire in the sixties. Translated, "If it feels good, do it."

Hollywood's answer, "ignore social responsibility, responsibility to family or pine away like some wallflower."

How about change your stinkin feelings?! Are we masters of our emotions, or do we remain slaves to them?

01-03-2006, 03:14 PM	#21
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Many romantic writers feel compelled to write the proverbial unrequitted love novel, screenplay, ect. This aspect of love, an icon for years in European literature, maybe because the royals were so spoiled they had to think up worries, has always perplexed me. And after the first two dozen, it's time to go watch a good war flick. I can appreciate the fact that good writers can write about boring topics. Happens all the time. So far the argument is, "Hey the writer is good, so the story may hold somebody's interest." Not a completely specious point of view, but gay men humping still turns me off. And although, I won't avoid a movie with normal sexual innuendo or content, I won't seek it out for it either. On average, I see 50 to 60 movies per year, so I see a lot of junk, but so little is new stuff. Original stuff, which now has been repeated, was stuff like, Apocalypse Now Memento even Vanilla Sky Saving Private Ryan All Quiet of the Eastern Front The Man Who Knew Too Much even the Village offered something Most movies about romance fail to express much, because where that emotion is involved, the writing tends to fall into tired formulae. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

01-03-2006, 06:15 PM	#24
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	The next heartwarmer will involve Jeffrey Dahmer, how misunderstood he was, or how Armin Meiwes did the right thing. All you need is a capable writer, sympathetic actors, beautiful landscape and Hollywood will accept anything as artistic. Imagine how tear wrenching Armin cannibalizing Bernd Jurgen would be. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

01-03-2006, 06:28 PM	#27
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Oops, they did make a movie about Meiwes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

01-03-2006, 07:21 PM	#30
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	[quote="fusnik11"] intellectually the movie poses many valid questions. how important is it be to be true to our feelings? This one cracks me up. It really caught fire in the sixties. Translated, "If it feels good, do it." Hollywood's answer, "ignore social responsibility, responsibility to family or pine away like some wallflower." How about change your stinkin feelings?! Are we masters of our emotions, or do we remain slaves to them? __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

01-03-2006, 05:55 PM	#23
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	Next there will be a film about father-daughter incest, which the "critics" will praise because it "beautifully" captures the heart-warming relationship of love and understanding between two of god's children. That and the role of the 14 year old will be played by an 18 year old, so technically the love scenes will be "okay." With Bea Arthur amongst the many academy award winners as the all-wise grandmother.

01-03-2006, 06:55 PM	#28
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	And I guess American Beauty was quite similar to my hypothetical.....and it cleaned house at the Oscars. We need to have compassion on all of the baby boomers who fall for their daughters' cheerleader friends.