Obama looking to storm through to the White House!!!!!

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

That's not true and you know it. That's just stupid logic. If a terrorist organization tried to take over France, they would fight with everything they had, and they would get help from a bunch of other countries, including us. That is how it's supposed to work, and that's how the US became independent to start with: by fighting and asking for help. That the US gets bored waiting for something like that to happen and decides to invade countries without the ability or inclination to attack us is where we go wrong.

And, lest we forget, the main country that gave the US help in our struggle for independence was... France.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by woot

They produce more research per capita, they don't bomb and occupy other countries, they don't torture people, they don't keep their people in constant fear of terrorism, their people are much healthier and live longer, etc.

I won't ever argue that our experiment in capitalism is not an outrageous success in economic terms, but there are other costs, and the current furor in response to 9/11 has done much to reduce our position in the world.

All that research and so few Nobel Prizes.

Ivory Coast.

Ever been a young muslim in French police custody?

I don't sense any more angst here about terrorism than I did in France.

Yes, you are correct, a lot more fat people here in the U.S. But our smoking laws are light years ahead. U.S. patient healthcare far outstrips France, unless of course one is able and willing to pay.

They also have a greater variety of cheese and yogurt.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

That's not true and you know it. That's just stupid logic. If a terrorist organization tried to take over France, they would fight with everything they had, and they would get help from a bunch of other countries, including us. That is how it's supposed to work, and that's how the US became independent to start with: by fighting and asking for help. That the US gets bored waiting for something like that to happen and decides to invade countries without the ability or inclination to attack us in where we go wrong.

I agree that they would get help from us. That's what we do - help countries that can't or won't fight for themselves.

Everybody wants the US to be their guard dog, but they bitch about how the US does it rather than saying "Go home and let us do the dirty work."

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by woot

How does healthcare not fall under "protection"?

Good point. So does housing. Everyone gets a house. Haven't heard that one from Obama, but I am sure it is coming.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

And, lest we forget, the main country that gave the US help in our struggle for independence was... France.

Yep and we more than returned the favor in two World Wars.

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Seriously. Screw helping people if it costs money. I have seen the light. Money > people in need.

Seriously. Screw whether you can afford to help people in need or not. If you can't, just print more money. Economic feasability is irrelevant. It's about COMPASSION you heartless capitalist pigs!

[woot]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

All that research and so few Nobel Prizes.

Ivory Coast.

Ever been a young muslim in French police custody?

I don't sense any more angst here about terrorism than I did in France.

Yes, you are correct, a lot more fat people here in the U.S. But our smoking laws are light years ahead. U.S. patient healthcare far outstrips France, unless of course one is able and willing to pay.

They also have a greater variety of cheese and yogurt.

A giant smoking ban just took effect in France on Jan 1. I forget the details, but it seemed more progressive than what we've got in the US.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

How does healthcare not fall under "protection"?

How?

Protection is military, police and fire.

How does health care fall under protection?

[woot]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I agree that they would get help from us. That's what we do - help countries that can't or won't fight for themselves.

Everybody wants the US to be their guard dog, but they bitch about how the US does it rather than saying "Go home and let us do the dirty work."

But that's just it. I don't think anybody minds that the US uses it's power to help others against invaders. The current war is simply not an example of that.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

And, lest we forget, the main country that gave the US help in our struggle for independence was... France.

C'mon Cali, we were a boil on England's ass. France was happy to add more pain.

And they've hated us ever since.