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SeattleUte · 08-25-2007, 09:31 PM

Michael Vick was a world class superstar with vast wealth. Now he's in the gutter. Because he financed dog fighting, he's a pariah, he's forfeited his bonus and probably his net worth, he's going to prison, and he's out of professional football probably for good. Does the punishmen fit the crime?

(I can't help it, this reminds me of when my wife says to our three-year old, "Stop now, or you'll lose all your privileges," "If you don't do as I ask you're going to lose all your privileges." It works. He has figured out losing all your privileges is a very bad thing though it's never gone that far, and I doubt any of us is sure what that even means in his case.)

P.S., probably one of the most offensive things I've ever heard is a guy on NPR this morning arguing that VIck was too harshly dealt with because we raise animals to eat.

FMCoug · 08-25-2007, 10:02 PM

THis is tough because what he did was heinous. But put in the terms you did, I have to say the punishment is extreme. Does he deserve the time he's serving? Yes.

To have his life completely destroyed professionally? Probably not.

SeattleUte · 08-25-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

THis is tough because what he did was heinous. But put in the terms you did, I have to say the punishment is extreme. Does he deserve the time he's serving? Yes.

To have his life completely destroyed professionally? Probably not.

If a lawyer did this he'd be completely destroyed. He'd be disbarred. But more to the point, just as assuredly completely destroyed professionally would be a movie star or anyone in the entertainment industry or a high-level bisiness executive or any other person whose professional success lives or dies on public goodwill.

I know a guy who on 9/11/01, when he was a lawyer in a big firm in my town, got really drunk (he was upset because he had former professional colleagues who died in the WTC) and walked into a mosque here in Seattle, refusing to remove his shoes, and shouted obscenties and epithets. He wasn't disbarred, though charged with a hate crime at the misdemeanor level. But he lost his partner level job in a big downtown firm, and last I saw him he was selling life insurance.

Moreover, where much is given, much is expected. I'm so sick of these idiot young millionares behaving badly. The only reason I feel a little sorry for Vick (and as you can see I can justify what happened to him without even getting into the extent of immorality or evil of his crime) is that the guy appears to be really stupid. Didn't he have any handlers to give him advice about such things?

Cali Coug · 08-25-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Michael Vick was a world class superstar with vast wealth. Now he's in the gutter. Because he financed dog fighting, he's a pariah, he's forfeited his bonus and probably his net worth, he's going to prison, and he's out of professional football probably for good. Does the punishmen fit the crime?

(I can't help it, this reminds me of when my wife says to our three-year old, "Stop now, or you'll lose all your privileges," "If you don't do as I ask you're going to lose all your privileges." It works. He has figured out losing all your privileges is a very bad thing though it's never gone that far, and I doubt any of us is sure what that even means in his case.)

P.S., probably one of the most offensive things I've ever heard is a guy on NPR this morning arguing that VIck was too harshly dealt with because we raise animals to eat.

It isn't because he "financed" dog fighting. It is because he electrocuted them to death, hung them, drowned them in 5 gallon buckets, body-slammed them to death, gambled on the events (knowing it could get him kicked out of the NFL), and promoted savage fights between dogs, teaching them to be killing machines.

And he financed the operation.

That tells me the man has some very serious issues. Society isn't singling out Michael Vick. Vick broke the law in terrible ways. The punishment is just.

SeattleUte · 08-25-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It isn't because he "financed" dog fighting. It is because he electrocuted them to death, hung them, drowned them in 5 gallon buckets, body-slammed them to death, gambled on the events (knowing it could get him kicked out of the NFL), and promoted savage fights between dogs, teaching them to be killing machines.

Did he personally do all these things?

creekster · 08-25-2007, 11:26 PM

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Did he personally do all these things?

According to his bestest friends that just flipped on him for leniency, yes.

il Padrino Ute · 08-25-2007, 11:49 PM

Vick deserves to lose everything he gained from being an NFL football player. Far too many athletes like him have either forgotten or don't understand that playing professional sports is a privilege, not a right.

When he gets out of prison, he can start his life again, but he'll have to do what the rest of us do - work for a living in a less than glamorous career.

Mormon Red Death · 08-26-2007, 12:13 AM

Here's another point of view... From the best football journalist out there

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...erbrook/070816

I tend to agree with TMQ...

cougjunkie · 08-26-2007, 01:01 AM

So what about Travis Outlaw who did something similar? The police had been to his house 4 times in 6 months for complaints about dog fighting, and animal abuse. He was aressted for training dogs to fight, and animal abuse, he didnt serve any jail time and he is still in the NBA. Dont you think Vicks status has a little to do with the harshness of the penalty?

il Padrino Ute · 08-26-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

So what about Travis Outlaw who did something similar? The police had been to his house 4 times in 6 months for complaints about dog fighting, and animal abuse. He was aressted for training dogs to fight, and animal abuse, he didnt serve any jail time and he is still in the NBA. Dont you think Vicks status has a little to do with the harshness of the penalty?

I think that because Vick flat-out lied about it when it first came known that it was happening at his house is what started the entire make-an-example-out-of-him ball rolling.

No sympathy from me for Vick - and it has nothing to do with the dogs. It's all about celebrities/athletes rarely being punished for what they do when regular folks would be locked up for lesser crimes.

If he's an example and it's unfair, so be it. It's about time that antisocial thugs with money get theirs.

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08-25-2007, 09:31 PM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Does Vick deserve to have his life ruined for this? Michael Vick was a world class superstar with vast wealth. Now he's in the gutter. Because he financed dog fighting, he's a pariah, he's forfeited his bonus and probably his net worth, he's going to prison, and he's out of professional football probably for good. Does the punishmen fit the crime? (I can't help it, this reminds me of when my wife says to our three-year old, "Stop now, or you'll lose all your privileges," "If you don't do as I ask you're going to lose all your privileges." It works. He has figured out losing all your privileges is a very bad thing though it's never gone that far, and I doubt any of us is sure what that even means in his case.) P.S., probably one of the most offensive things I've ever heard is a guy on NPR this morning arguing that VIck was too harshly dealt with because we raise animals to eat. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

08-25-2007, 11:49 PM	#7
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Vick deserves to lose everything he gained from being an NFL football player. Far too many athletes like him have either forgotten or don't understand that playing professional sports is a privilege, not a right. When he gets out of prison, he can start his life again, but he'll have to do what the rest of us do - work for a living in a less than glamorous career. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

08-26-2007, 12:13 AM	#8
Mormon Red Death Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton Township, MI Posts: 3,126	Here's another point of view... From the best football journalist out there http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...erbrook/070816 I tend to agree with TMQ... __________________ Its all about the suit

08-26-2007, 01:01 AM	#9
cougjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 5,741	So what about Travis Outlaw who did something similar? The police had been to his house 4 times in 6 months for complaints about dog fighting, and animal abuse. He was aressted for training dogs to fight, and animal abuse, he didnt serve any jail time and he is still in the NBA. Dont you think Vicks status has a little to do with the harshness of the penalty? __________________ LINCECUM!

08-25-2007, 10:02 PM	#2
FMCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kaysville, UT Posts: 3,151	THis is tough because what he did was heinous. But put in the terms you did, I have to say the punishment is extreme. Does he deserve the time he's serving? Yes. To have his life completely destroyed professionally? Probably not.