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MikeWaters · 07-01-2015, 01:35 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/30...lture-war.html

ChinoCoug · 07-01-2015, 05:47 PM

Aside from commitment and healing broken homes, that's the same crap scholars were spewing in the 60s: focus on the social gospel. All the liberal Protestant churches who took their crummy advice are now doing even worse than evangelical churches.

In the 80s American got more religious again.

MikeWaters · 07-01-2015, 10:22 PM

The social gospel is already going on. Lots of churches doing ongoing work in the community. LDS, we don't typically do this. We do short one-off projects and then praise ourselves immensely.

Frankly we don't have time for service to the community. We are too busy being lay clergy and lay ministers and going to administrative meetings, etc.

Frankly we are more interested in the dead than the living. A whole arm of retired persons serving the dead and not the living.

BlueK · 07-07-2015, 03:35 AM

the best answer is to get rid of so many administrative meetings. Frankly, it's 1950s corporate culture that crept in and still exists. It's just endless rehashing of organizational stuff that really has little to do with taking care of church members or those outside the church. Sure, you have to meet sometimes to talk about how to serve, but they don't have to be so long and so often, or done just for the sake of doing it to mark off a check somewhere that it was done.

MikeWaters · 07-07-2015, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueK

the best answer is to get rid of so many administrative meetings. Frankly, it's 1950s corporate culture that crept in and still exists. It's just endless rehashing of organizational stuff that really has little to do with taking care of church members or those outside the church. Sure, you have to meet sometimes to talk about how to serve, but they don't have to be so long and so often, or done just for the sake of doing it to mark off a check somewhere that it was done.

The admin meetings fall on the people in leadership positions. Depending on what kind of ward you are in, those leadership positions may be recycled over and over among the same people (men mostly).

Important things do happen in Bishopric meetings, ward council, PEC. Discuss what is going on with new members, struggling members, investigators.

It's just that it's not MY strength to be an administrator. So I don't like it very much. Some people love it.

07-01-2015, 01:35 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Brooks on the continuing culture wars http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/30...lture-war.html

07-01-2015, 05:47 PM	#2
ChinoCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NOVA Posts: 3,005	Aside from commitment and healing broken homes, that's the same crap scholars were spewing in the 60s: focus on the social gospel. All the liberal Protestant churches who took their crummy advice are now doing even worse than evangelical churches. In the 80s American got more religious again.

07-01-2015, 10:22 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The social gospel is already going on. Lots of churches doing ongoing work in the community. LDS, we don't typically do this. We do short one-off projects and then praise ourselves immensely. Frankly we don't have time for service to the community. We are too busy being lay clergy and lay ministers and going to administrative meetings, etc. Frankly we are more interested in the dead than the living. A whole arm of retired persons serving the dead and not the living.

07-07-2015, 03:35 AM	#4
BlueK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,368	the best answer is to get rid of so many administrative meetings. Frankly, it's 1950s corporate culture that crept in and still exists. It's just endless rehashing of organizational stuff that really has little to do with taking care of church members or those outside the church. Sure, you have to meet sometimes to talk about how to serve, but they don't have to be so long and so often, or done just for the sake of doing it to mark off a check somewhere that it was done.