A new abortion law for fathers

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The father of a fetus can request that the mother have an abortion. If she refuses, then he is not responsible for child support.

If it is within the first trimester.

If it can be proven that the mother knew of her pregnancy, and knew who the father was, and chose not to reveal this to the father within the first trimester, he is not responsible for child support.

Shouldn't men have the right to destroy life as much as women?

I like it. Let's see if we can slip mandatory breast augmentation into the bill at the last minute.

[Archaea]

Are you related to Goatnapper?

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Are you related to Goatnapper?

I might be. I don't know his true identity.

Honestly, I'm a pro-choicer so I don't think a guy gets a say in the pregnancy. There really isn't a way to make it fair for both parties. If a guy could demand an abortion, the expectant mother should be able to demand a vasectomy for the man. It's hard to force an elective surgery on someone. I know Mike was being facetious, but I thought I'd play along for fun.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I might be. I don't know his true identity.

Honestly, I'm a pro-choicer so I don't think a guy gets a say in the pregnancy. There really isn't a way to make it fair for both parties. If a guy could demand an abortion, the expectant mother should be able to demand a vasectomy for the man. It's hard to force an elective surgery on someone. I know Mike was being facetious, but I thought I'd play along for fun.

to me, it seems odd for a guy to have no say but all the obligations of support, that is all.

If women have total say in whether to keep the child or not, then they should be liable for support. I could see that as a valid social policy which will never happen. Why should you have a financial obligation without a voice?

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Archaea

to me, it seems odd for a guy to have no say but all the obligations of support, that is all.

If women have total say in whether to keep the child or not, then they should be liable for support. I could see that as a valid social policy which will never happen. Why should you have a financial obligation without a voice?

I agree it's not fair. I would hate to be the guy in that position.

Some people believe that abortion is murder, so you would be asking her to either commit murder or pay for the "mistake" alone. Not a great option. There is probably a reasonable solution, but I don't think that's it. Maybe something like equal custody with no child support if the baby is born. Even that isn't fair though.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The father of a fetus can request that the mother have an abortion. If she refuses, then he is not responsible for child support.

If it is within the first trimester.

If it can be proven that the mother knew of her pregnancy, and knew who the father was, and chose not to reveal this to the father within the first trimester, he is not responsible for child support.

Shouldn't men have the right to destroy life as much as women?

What do we do about the underlying problem that 99.9% of men who get a woman pregnant and claim to want the kid really in their heart of hearts just want to have the occasional quality time with the little tykes if scrubbed appropriately and in good health, but otherwise have better things to do? Not to mention, what about that it's the woman who has to put her life on the line and do often lasting damage to her body regardless of the outcome?

Don't these factors justify giving women disproportionate say in the decision?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

What do we do about the underlying problem that 99.9% of men who get a woman pregnant and claim to want the kid really in their heart of hearts just want to have the occasional quality time with the little tykes if scrubbed appropriately and in good health, but otherwise have better things to do? Not to mention, what about that it's the woman who has to put her life on the line and do often lasting damage to her body regardless of the outcome?

Don't these factors justify giving women disproportionate say in the decision?

Disproportionate voice makes sense, no voice but equal if not superior financial obligation does not.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Disproportionate voice makes sense, no voice but equal if not superior financial obligation does not.

I'm not sure about the superior finacial obligation part. A friend of mine pays $500 per month for child support. That's a car payment. The mother is the custodial parent. If she wanted to have the spare time that he has, she couldn't buy it for the $500 he gives her. I don't have a lot of knowledge of what the average person pays per kid, but $500 doesn't seem like much.