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But I'm willing to entertain a theory that the strains of monotheism that arise in reaction to Pauline Christianity and Euro or Classical based societies look much the same. And there is a lot in history to support this, as we consider not only Mormonism and Islam, but also the radical, ascetic strains of Judaism during the historical Jesus' time (such as the Essenes) that some consider the seeds of Islam, and the ascetic Protestant sects started in more remote places of Northern Europe and other New World sects.
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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...nalCode=cjmm20 Why do you think some snake oil salesman was peddling Ptolemaic papyrus in Nauvoo? Why are Mormons defensive about this? The comparisons I've made are neutral. Islam is more important, older, bigger, richer, etc. The Koran is much more respected as literature than Mormon scriptures. The Islamic brand is probably a lot more valuable. I'm sure it would be the acquiring entity. If Mormons don't like the comparison they should ask themselves why.
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Mohammed does form perhaps an archetype of the warrior/prophet whose calling commences with a vision of God and his angels. In that sense, what the archetype set up in the charismatic sense is analogous to Joseph Smith, but to state categorically that Joseph Smith knowingly emulated a man he could hardly known much about, given the lack of materials in English with much understanding. Early translations from Arabic, Urdu, Turkish and Farsi into workable English seem hardly likely to make to it to an uneducated farm boy in upstate New York. It more likely possible that the sociological conditions which allow charismatic figures to create a following recur from time to time, as shown by numerous charismatic "prophets" throughout the ages. Moreover, Islam won over its minions through martial conquest and the LDS faith is now floundering because it is unable to control the information flow and is unable find a central message for new adherents. The Caliphates and Umayyads were well-established within 150 years, but 750 CE, leading the growth under the Abbasids, Seljuks and Ottomans over the centuries. In many respects, absent moderation and attachment to a growing economy or world empire, the LDS faith is unlikely to see such growth and domination.
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We may only be arguing small details. Did the history of the Crusades and Islam influence the Romantic Era for literature? Undoubtedly. Did those who were influenced understand the nature and extent of the influence? That is what I am doubtful about. It's analogous to the El Nino effect. Snow storms in NYC may be the result of El Nino in the Pacific Ocean, but that doesn't mean the guy in the ghetto realizes that, unless he's reading up on weather patterns on the internet. In terms of knowledge of world events, upstate New York was backwater and not the place of learned discussions. Cornell University wasn't founded until 1865, well after the Romantic Period. As far as Islam forming the basis for founding narratives, I would argue it could only do so, if the genesis of such organic structural is the result of natural processes as opposed to conscientious modeling and emulation.
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