spain = dopeurs?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by creekster

90% is a too high.

The story of the guy he chased down is a little more involved than that, I believe. The rider had been accused by Lance of being a cheat and so the rider caused an actiojn to be instituted against lance in the courts (their system is different than ours) and this pissed Lance off. So he then woudl not allow the break to leave until this guy was out of it. This is from memory, however, and so it could be wrong. Either way, it shows that Lance was Le Patron in the way Hinault and others had been in the past. There is no Patron this year. It also shows that Lance is a warrior,as you say. It only tangentially suggests that he was a druggie, however.

Your memory echoes mine.

Lance may have cheated, but if he did so, he may have done so in training and then backed off during racing. Perhaps all racers dope during training but some carry it on into race season.

Lance was competitive as hell, and often that transfers to being a jerk. I can see that in him.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by RC Vikings

I blame Delgado for getting this whole thing going for Spain. Delgado taught Indurain who passed it down to Beloki and Heras. I bet if you look at their background that they grew up with less then the French, the Italians, the Americans and the Dutch and that they will still do anything it takes to make it to the top.

Interesting point. Delgado is one of those that Lemond has talked abotu before and maybe he did bring it out. He was a flaky dude, remember the time he showed up late to the starthouse for a ITT? Who does that?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by creekster

SO what position that I took do you think was so weak that I couldnt' debate about it? You know, the one I covered with potshots? You called me out on it, so tell me what it is.

Were my 'potshopts' inaccurate? Do you not admire your own work? WOuld insults or explanation make a difference to your self-admiration? Is any of that incorrect?

creekster, I dont want to argue with you because I think you have a nice body.

We disagree. Let's leave it at that because this is not going anywhere.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

creekster, I dont want to argue with you because I think you have a nice body.

We disagree. Let's leave it at that because this is not going anywhere.

What do we disagree about? I think you can at least tell me that.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by creekster

What do we disagree about? I think you can at least tell me that.

I think you have a nice body. You don't.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I think you have a nice body. You don't.

I think your response speaks volumes, to coin a phrase.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

creekster, I dont want to argue with you because I think you have a nice body.

We disagree. Let's leave it at that because this is not going anywhere.

So you're good at snarky remarks about modern culture, but you're out of your league in analyzing cycling. Stick to matters with which you're familiar please.

The cheaters in cycling must be very sneaky and their timing is very tricky. That's why I believe it's cleaner as it has a more rigorous testing than other sports with which I'm familiar. And only five percent of the peloton is affected. This is not a tip of the iceberg thing.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

So you're good at snarky remarks about modern culture, but you're out of your league in analyzing cycling. Stick to matters with which you're familiar please.

The cheaters in cycling must be very sneaky and their timing is very tricky. That's why I believe it's cleaner as it has a more rigorous testing than other sports with which I'm familiar. And only five percent of the peloton is affected. This is not a tip of the iceberg thing.

I am not analyzing cycling. I dont think I have said a single thing about the course, who is the best climber, which team has the best riders, etc..

I am talking about doping....baseball, cycling, whatever.

How do you know that 5% is not the tip of the iceberg? By definition, the tip is only going to be a small number.

My prediction.....more riders will be busted during this race.

[RC Vikings]

Originally Posted by creekster

Interesting point. Delgado is one of those that Lemond has talked abotu before and maybe he did bring it out. He was a flaky dude, remember the time he showed up late to the starthouse for a ITT? Who does that?

Also that time he tested postive and the look of guilt on his face. He got away with it because the substance wasn't banned at the time but he was feared for a few years there.

Talking of Spanish guys using I'd like to see how Rafael Nadal would do in a drug test.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I am not analyzing cycling. I dont think I have said a single thing about the course, who is the best climber, which team has the best riders, etc..

I am talking about doping....baseball, cycling, whatever.

How do you know that 5% is not the tip of the iceberg? By definition, the tip is only going to be a small number.

My prediction.....more riders will be busted during this race.

my prediction: no baseball player will be busted the rest of the year. or any year in the future.