Do you agree with Michael Moore?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Even I can see the hole in your analogy here.

Supposedly, if we can afford the bailout which I find to be a dubious assumption, it's supposed to be paid back.

That's a big difference between a huge loan to obligating yourself to continued eternal obligations with no end in sight and no repayment of principal or interest.

UHC is simply another albatross around the necks of taxpayers. The bailout may be as well, but a poor analogy, and probably a troll by you.

Actually a lot of people believe that having healthy citizens has a beneficial economic impact. Crazy, I know.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm not aware of such data.

Did you not read the link you posted?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

So, do you agree with Moore that if we had socialized medicine, all the economic problems would be non-existent?

I think Moore is all over the place. He's not saying just that.

Ultimately, he's for handouts. he just wants them to go to another place.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Did you not read the link you posted?

I read it. I didn't see any data.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Actually a lot of people believe that having healthy citizens has a beneficial economic impact. Crazy, I know.

The assumptions are unproven.

Supposedly UHC makes people more healthy, increasing productivity and thereby generating more income to be taxed to pay for it. But if you believe that, then I have some mortgage default swaps for you from AIG that you may wish to purchase.

It is crazy and unproven, because it's not true. What part of UHC makes citizens actually take responsibility for their health, to avoid bad health habits?

What part of it ensures healthy citizens?

Physicians don't make people healthy, health genes, exercise, nutrition and rest habits contribute to this.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I think Moore is all over the place. He's not saying just that.

Ultimately, he's for handouts. he just wants them to go to another place.

I actually agree with you here. I was just stating what Moore was saying in that particular link.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

The assumptions are unproven.

Supposedly UHC makes people more healthy, increasing productivity and thereby generating more income to be taxed to pay for it. But if you believe that, then I have some mortgage default swaps for you from AIG that you may wish to purchase.

It is crazy and unproven, because it's not true.

You sound very sure of yourself. Sort of like Mr. Poulson.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I read it. I didn't see any data.

I never said he provided data. I just pointed out that he blamed the lack of socialized medicine. Talk to Moore about the lack of data.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You sound very sure of yourself. Sort of like Mr. Poulson.

I have studied health care systems enough to be reasonably certain that faddish claims of UHC are untrue.

Culture, diet, exercise habits and genetic make up play a much bigger role in health than UHC. I question the correlation used by those studies used to promote those beliefs.

I do not believe in UHC and the gargantuan costs of such an enterprise given American culture of health care would be staggering, and not inconsequential. We would not recapture sufficient benefits to pay for it. We need market reforms and cultural reforms, but how to achieve those. More handouts are not the answers.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Culture, diet, exercise habits and genetic make up play a much bigger role in health than UHC.

I'm sorry to be petty, but since it's obvious Moore went 0-4 on the first set of criteria, is it little wonder he's putting all of his chips on the fifth?