Cali, is sitting by, playing hard to get,

[SeattleUte]

waiting for someone to post McCain won the debate, so he can be all over it like shit on a stick. No one give him that.

[MikeWaters]

McCain won the debate.

And I didn't even watch it.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

McCain won the debate.

And I didn't even watch it.

That's a lame effort to keep things moving on your board. I'm not biting.

[MikeWaters]

Seriously I didn't watch it. McCain, let me guess, had no message other than "I'm swell".

McCain is going to go like Mondale.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No one will give me that. At least nobody who actually watched the thing!

to SS and Medicare. All I heard was a tax cut for 95% of the citizens. Actually I heard that time and time again. I guess the tax cut will save SS and Medicare.

You guys are suckers! You either have to increase taxes or lower the age of retirement (or a combo of both). This is not nuclear science. Hey perhaps I should run for President. Actually i had some Repubs ask me to run for the state senate. Knowing my reputation on CG and CB, I decided against it. My posts would be up there with Rev. Wright ..... errrrrr..... Rev. Wrong.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Ah, good. It's ehxute.

Ghood to hhave yhou.

Sho mhuch ihnsight.

response to the SS / Medicare question? I assume you listened to your messiah.

Vs. behindsight..........yes.

[Tex]

Well, Obama certainly didn't win, unless "winning" is defined as "keeping the status quo."

I didn't think it could get more boring than the 1st. I was wrong.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Well, winning could certainly be defined as "keeping the status quo." Or it could just be defined as "what most people think happened."

CNN, MoE 4%:

Who did the best job in the debate?

McCain (R) 30
Obama (D) 54

Opinion of Barack Obama (before debate)

Favorable: 64 (60)
Unfavorable: 34 (38)

Opinion of John McCain (before debate)

Favorable: 51 (51)
Unfavorable: 46 (46)

More from CNN:

Who expressed his views more clearly in the debate?

Obama 60
McCain 30

Who spent more time attacking his opponent?

Obama 17
McCain 63

Who seemed to be the stronger leader?

Obama 54
McCain 43

Who was most likeable?

Obama 65
McCain 28


CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10...y4508356.shtml

Who won?

McCain (R) 27
Obama (D) 39
Draw 35

Will Obama will make the right decisions on the economy?

Before debate: 54
After debate: 68

Will McCain will make the right decisions on the economy?

Before debate: 41
After debate: 49

Ohbama is going to lead us to the promised land! Whatever your thoughts, it will be entertaining.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

If only there were a place we could go to learn about his position on SS. Maybe a place on the series of tubes known as the internet. But what would the address be? Lookheredummy.com? No, too confusing. Barackobama.com? Could it be so simple?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

dipschtick.com. We're we talking about the debate? If he knew the answer why didn't he mention any of it when asked? I guess you believe he wrote all the positions articulated on his website. Talk about a dipschtick! You just confirmed your gullibility.

Having graduated from the Y, I would have thought you would have a nice job and wouldn't be looking for handouts from the government. Or is it his stance on partial birth abortion that appeals to you?

Sucka!

LMAO......."And they do not believe it is necessary or fair to hardworking seniors to raise the retirement age. Obama and Biden are strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security. As part of a bipartisan plan that would be phased in over many years, they will ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a bit more to Social Security to keep it sound."

Like I said, their position is against raising retirement age and any privatization for the next generation. OK, we know what they are against........and there it is again.........raise everything on those earning more than $250K......as I mentioned in my opening salvo. where was I wrong.

You honestly believe SS will be around when you are old enough to be eligible and the retirement age won't be higher then than it is now?

Sucka!

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Well, winning could certainly be defined as "keeping the status quo." Or it could just be defined as "what most people think happened."

I think asking who won is a silly question. With few exceptions, people vote for "their guy".

The real measure of success in a debate is impact on the electorate. The 1st debate didn't move polls at all, and I expect this one not to move at all either. No voter walked away from either debate much persuaded, and viewership is down anyway.

In the end, it's a net plus for Obama because he's ahead. But he's not sealing the deal, either. He's ahead only because voters are foolishly blaming the credit crunch on the Republicans. Fortunate timing for him, but hardly a winning message.