Let's move on: what is President Obama going to be like?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tex

People who say Bush is worse than Carter (or better, worst "ever") have extremely short memories and/or limited understanding of American political history.

This is like arguing over whether it is better to be shot 10 times or 11 times.

Bush's term isnt even over.

There are 2.5 more months left in which more bedrock financial insitutions can fail. Bush's Presidential Library is going to be sweet. Esp the wing dedicated to the final year of his second term. That one will be a barn-burner.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

It is nice to finally hear almost all conservatives voice what everone else knew all along. Bush is an idiot and a lousy President.

Does it make you wonder whether some of your other current political beliefs are also erroneous?

I've said a couple of times that Bush will likely be remembered as a very average president (perhaps sub-average, depending on how Iraq ultimately comes out).

But there's no way he touches last-century administrations like Hoover, LBJ, and Carter. That's nothing but brainless emotion speaking, like back when Republicans were calling Clinton the "worst President ever." Ha.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tex

I've said a couple of times that Bush will likely be remembered as a very average president (perhaps sub-average, depending on how Iraq ultimately comes out).

But there's no way he touches last-century administrations like Hoover, LBJ, and Carter. That's nothing but brainless emotion speaking, like back when Republicans were calling Clinton the "worst President ever." Ha.

I agree with this. I simply am saying he is a lousy president.

I get no charge out of determining who was worst. Not even sure there is any way to measure that metric.

As a citizen, I would prefer that every President did an excellent job, regardless of party affiliation. There may be policy disagreements, but as a whole, if each President left the country in as good as or better shape than when he entered office, I would be thrilled.

W did not pass that basic litmus test. Nor did Carter.

Reagan did. Clinton did.

James K. Freaking Polk did, too!

[Tex]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

As a citizen, I would prefer that every President did an excellent job, regardless of party affiliation. There may be policy disagreements, but as a whole, if each President left the country in as good as or better shape than when he entered office, I would be thrilled.

Sometimes that's not within the President's power.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tex

Sometimes that's not within the President's power.

Yes, I realize it is overly simplistic. It doesnt take into account Senate, HOR, etc...

[Venkman]

Ok, I'm depressed, so this may be a tad hyperbolic.

Obama is a hard left guy. He's not going to moderate, he's gonna strike while the iron is hot and try to ram New Deal II down our throats. If the dems get a 60 seat senate majority, look out. America may be fundamentally changed as a result. The idea of limited government, free markets, individualism, currently tenuous, may be wiped out. The dream of turning the U.S. into a limp dicked European style socialist nation is finally within their grasp. Look for "rights" to a job, healthcare, housing, etc. Guns? Gone.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Venkman

Ok, I'm depressed, so this may be a tad hyperbolic.

Obama is a hard left guy. He's not going to moderate, he's gonna strike while the iron is hot and try to ram New Deal II down our throats. If the dems get a 60 seat senate majority, look out. America may be fundamentally changed as a result. The idea of limited government, free markets, individualism, currently tenuous, may be wiped out. The dream of turning the U.S. into a limp dicked European style socialist nation is finally within their grasp. Look for "rights" to a job, healthcare, housing, etc. Guns? Gone.

It's not hyperbole if it's true. And I think you hit the nail on the head here. Obama is a far leftist and should the current house leadership remain, there is nothing to stop him from turning the US into France.

[TripletDaddy]

You guys sound like idiots. Calm down.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You guys sound like idiots. Calm down.

I call it like I see it, DDD.

I pray that I'm wrong, but there is nothing in his rhetoric nor in his political platform that tells me he is not a socialist.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You guys sound like idiots. Calm down.

They were cheering Bush on as he turned the America and the world into his sandbox. I understand why they particularly don't expect restraint from Obama.