Motives of those passionate about immigration issues

[SeattleUte]

I confess to automatically mistrusting the motives of those who wax all enraged about immigration issues. I automatically wonder if they are jobless, dislike all foreigners or non-whites, have a screw loose, etc. It is not a very cool issue to go around ranting about in my experience. I suppose we need to police and regulate our borders but this issue is not one that makes my blood boil. Tell me I'm wrong here in my crystal tower in Seattle.

[Archaea]

Are you certain you're correct?

Aren't some labor unions passionately in favor of immigration controls in order to ensure workers within their union get jobs, not lower paid illegals?

I haven't followed the debate too closely as it is frequently politisized quickly, thereby dropping its interest level with me.

Aren't their interested parties which support immigration reform not based on racism or xenophobia?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Are you certain you're correct?

Aren't some labor unions passionately in favor of immigration controls in order to ensure workers within their union get jobs, not lower paid illegals?

I haven't followed the debate too closely as it is frequently politisized quickly, thereby dropping its interest level with me.

Aren't their interested parties which support immigration reform not based on racism or xenophobia?

By telling me labor unions oppose immigration you are not making progress convincing me the angels are on the side of immigration opponents.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

By telling me labor unions oppose immigration you are not making progress convincing me the angels are on the side of immigration opponents.

You're not a blue collar unionist?

Unlike your patrician blood, most of my kindred were coalminers, farmers, laborers and ordinary folk. So I feel a kindred spirit to the old labor lines.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I confess to automatically mistrusting the motives of those who wax all enraged about immigration issues. I automatically wonder if they are jobless, dislike all foreigners or non-whites, have a screw loose, etc. It is not a very cool issue to go around ranting about in my experience. I suppose we need to police and regulate our borders but this issue is not one that makes my blood boil. Tell me I'm wrong here in my crystal tower in Seattle.

Then it's interesting you took aim at me, since I've not posted passionately on immigration, nor have I waxed enraged.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You're not a blue collar unionist?

Unlike your patrician blood, most of my kindred were coalminers, farmers, laborers and ordinary folk. So I feel a kindred spirit to the old labor lines.

I am not patrician but my ancestors were business owners. But that's not why I said that. Unions are generally fraught with narrow self-interest, besides being bad for business. They are also anti-globalization in general. Who cares what unions think. They are a step toward socialism and I say that not in a pajorative way but as an objective and historical fact.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I am not patrician but my ancestors were business owners. But that's not why I said that. Unions are generally fraught with narrow self-interest, besides being bad for business. They are also anti-globalization in general. Who cares what unions think. They are a step toward socialism and I say that not in a pajorative way but as an objective and historical fact.

The current unions are not only fraught with self-interest but ineptitude and fraud.

They will fight globalization. It's hard to support the unions of today, but the older 19th century unions were a necessity.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I confess to automatically mistrusting the motives of those who wax all enraged about immigration issues. I automatically wonder if they are jobless, dislike all foreigners or non-whites, have a screw loose, etc. It is not a very cool issue to go around ranting about in my experience. I suppose we need to police and regulate our borders but this issue is not one that makes my blood boil. Tell me I'm wrong here in my crystal tower in Seattle.

I don't get it either. At least in 1930s Germany, life was hard and it was easy to throw blame for their problems to the Jews. Life in America today is very good. I don't understand the need to find a scapegoat.

[MikeWaters]

My grandfather was a non-union carpenter and was run out of town. So I am a anti-union person myself.

But I definitely ain't corporate.

I believe in the ability of people to organize and form unions. I am opposed to laws that would restrict work to only union members. And I support corporations attempting to bust unions.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I confess to automatically mistrusting the motives of those who wax all enraged about immigration issues. I automatically wonder if they are jobless, dislike all foreigners or non-whites, have a screw loose, etc. It is not a very cool issue to go around ranting about in my experience. I suppose we need to police and regulate our borders but this issue is not one that makes my blood boil. Tell me I'm wrong here in my crystal tower in Seattle.

Are you saying it's only people with white skin who want immigration laws enforced?