cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board  

Go Back   cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board > non-Sports > Current Events
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-15-2008, 10:24 PM   #1
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,365
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Is the State of Texas arguing that the FLDS

do not have the right to reproduce?

If a woman gives birth next week, are they going to come in and take the infant?

It's pretty alarming to me that seemingly very few people care about this precedent.
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:30 PM   #2
il Padrino Ute
Board Pinhead
 
il Padrino Ute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah.
Posts: 15,941
il Padrino Ute is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

It pisses me off.

I wonder if people are brushing it off because they feel the same as a woman from El Dorado that I heard on the radio last week. She was asked what she thought about everything going on there and her response was, and I'm paraphrasing - "I wish those people would go back to Salt Lake City and stay there with the rest of the Mormons."
__________________
"The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver

"This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.
il Padrino Ute is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:32 PM   #3
TripletDaddy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 9,483
TripletDaddy can only hope to improve
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters View Post
do not have the right to reproduce?

If a woman gives birth next week, are they going to come in and take the infant?

It's pretty alarming to me that seemingly very few people care about this precedent.
I think they are focusing on the statutory rape portion....underage girls with kids.

As of now, it appears that they have separated everyone while they sort it out.

One thing they have to improve is their PR arm. they are not giving very informative press conferences.
__________________
Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

"Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte
TripletDaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:34 PM   #4
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,365
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

If the state pursues permanent state custody for all the children, in my mind, they are arguing that these folks don't have a right to reproduce.
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:39 PM   #5
Jeff Lebowski
Charon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo)
Posts: 9,564
Jeff Lebowski is on a distinguished road
Default

It all makes me ill. I am guessing that there will be some backlash soon and things will balance out somewhat. But what do I know? This is Texas.
__________________
"... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Jeff Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:39 PM   #6
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,365
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Where are the smart, slick, articulate lawyers? (I haven't seen a press conference, so I don't know).
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:43 PM   #7
Flystripper
Senior Member
 
Flystripper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Valencia CA
Posts: 1,384
Flystripper is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters View Post
If the state pursues permanent state custody for all the children, in my mind, they are arguing that these folks don't have a right to reproduce.
Or they are saying that the FLDS culture is abusive and harmful to the children involved.

I guess it boils down to the same conclusion in this instance. They are concluding that these polygamous people should not have children because the environment in which these children would be raised is abusive and is a danger to the child.
Flystripper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:44 PM   #8
TripletDaddy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 9,483
TripletDaddy can only hope to improve
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters View Post
If the state pursues permanent state custody for all the children, in my mind, they are arguing that these folks don't have a right to reproduce.
Yes.

OR

They have spoken to many of these literally hundreds of people and have testimonies and first hand accounts of rampant abuse--sexual, physical, mental.

This is why I said they need a better PR person to give informed press conferences. They dont have to tip their hand with regards to every detail of their case, but it would serve them well to at least explain what is going on.
__________________
Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

"Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte
TripletDaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:45 PM   #9
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,365
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
Or they are saying that the FLDS culture is abusive and harmful to the children involved.

I guess it boils down to the same conclusion in this instance. They are concluding that these polygamous people should not have children because the environment in which these children would be raised is abusive and is a danger to the child.
so an infant is at theoretical risk in 2022 when she is 14? So you take her away?

I'd like to see the statutes that support that.
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2008, 10:45 PM   #10
TripletDaddy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 9,483
TripletDaddy can only hope to improve
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
Or they are saying that the FLDS culture is abusive and harmful to the children involved.

I guess it boils down to the same conclusion in this instance. They are concluding that these polygamous people should not have children because the environment in which these children would be raised is abusive and is a danger to the child.
Again, this may or may not be true.

Everyone who is mad does not seem to allow for the possibility that they have interviewed a TON of these people and have built a very strong case.
__________________
Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

"Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte
TripletDaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.