Who can figure out President Packer?

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

You know I'm right and that galls you even more. Sorry the truth, simple as it is, is something that an "intellectual" like you is not capable of understanding.

My real objection to your POV on this, Rocky, is not that we disagree, but that you seem insistent on molding others in your image. My studies, prayer, and experiences have taught me that truth is dialectical, paradoxical, and even sublime (as Archaea stated) but searching for it helps me want to show love for God and for my neighbors. It helps me to be a better person.

There are any number of scriptures and counsel that affirm study and seeking for truth, and I trust you aren't suggesting they be ignored.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

He is afflicted with an acute sense of self-loathing, much akin to the anglo guilt of leftist liberals he claims to have such disdain towards.

What I disdain is dogma, leftist liberal or whatever. It's all kindred. I'm facinated by it but disdain it.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

He is afflicted with an acute sense of self-loathing, much akin to the anglo guilt of leftist liberals he claims to have such disdain towards.

Even worse. He has liberal beliefs, except for the part where you personally help others.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

My real objection to your POV on this, Rocky, is not that we disagree, but that you seem insistent on molding others in your image. My studies, prayer, and experiences have taught me that truth is dialectical, paradoxical, and even sublime (as Archaea stated) but searching for it helps me want to show love for God and for my neighbors. It helps me to be a better person.

There are any number of scriptures and counsel that affirm study and seeking for truth, and I trust you aren't suggesting they be ignored.

Molding others in my image....so are you saying I'm God?

I could care less about your objection. I speak the truth on this matter and you know it. Arch knows it too, but is too arrogant to admit it. Whether you accept or reject this and choose to complicate the gospel is yours and other "intellectuals" problems, not mine. It is true that sometimes the more learned people think they are, in reality shows just how dumb and easily sucked in they truly are...and it's almost always due to their own arrogance and willful pride.

You "intellectuals" confuse knowledge with the application of wisdom and show it frequently.

[MikeWaters]

Rocky, send me a PM with your headshot. I need it for my avatar.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Archaea

No, truth is more complex than ever you will imagine. It is also sublime.

It is okay if you wish to have your whitewashed version of the truth, but don't think your truth is the singular and soletary truth.

I'm confident in my views. I'll take a Special Witness of Christs word over yours every single time. Your arrogance refuses to let you see the forest for the trees. I honestly feel sorry for your types. Wallowing in arrogance, smart as a whip, yet dumber than all get out at the same time. Refusing to see that as much as it galls you that in fact, sometimes a Special Witness to Christ, regardless of you liking how he expresses it or not, is actually right and you're not. Maybe one day you'll strengthen your testimony in spite of yourself. In fact that is probably how you types strengthen your testimonies...is in spite of yourself. One day Pres. Packer could very well be President of the Church, as much as that thought abhors you. Face it...you "intellectual" types get irritated that someone as simple as myself calls you guys on the carpet on your bullshit and you simply don't like it and that's to bad, cause it's not going to change. I call B.S. where I see it and if you can't, don't or won't get used to it then that's your problem, not mine.

*Cue the next fake Arch pretending to be smart and wise diatribe*.......

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Rocky, send me a PM with your headshot. I need it for my avatar.

No need for a pm....here ya go.

http://www.mgm.com/rocky_balboa/flash.html

[creekster]

This is an inappropriate approach, in my mind. Rocky has been forthright about his circumstances, perhaps far too forthright im my opinion, but I do not think that alone makes the circumstances fair game. This sort of ad hominem argument should not be used here, among us, IMO.

I don't agree with Rocky generally, but I have no idea how many of us have had similar circumstances (or should have had them) and I really can't condone discussing those possibilities in this way.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by creekster

This is an inappropriate approach, in my mind. Rocky has been forthright about his circumstances, perhaps far too forthright im my opinion, but I do not think that alone makes the circumstances fair game. This sort of ad hominem argument should not be used here, among us, IMO.

I don't agree with Rocky generally, but I have no idea how many of us have had similar circumstances (or should have had them) and I really can't condone discussing those possibilities in this way.

You are correct, but his challenges to others' testimony because we inquire is equally inappropriate.

The point he makes is that we have weak testimonies because we don't approach a matter simplistically.

He takes a simplistic approach yet still struggles. So what makes our approach worse than his. I admit it is inappropriate but for him to challenge the testimonies who examine matters in a different respect is equally inappropriate and thus my bad judgment.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You are correct, but his challenges to others' testimony because we inquire is equally inappropriate.

The point he makes is we lack weak testimonies because we don't approach a matter simplistically.

He takes a simplistic approach yet still struggles. So what makes our approach worse than his. I admit it is inappropriate but for him to challenge the testimonies who examine matters in a different respect is equally inappropriate and thus my bad judgment.

I agree that both were inappropriate IMO.