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Old 07-19-2014, 01:49 AM   #11
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I am not sure that a lack of belief in the devil, results in the plan falling apart. Aren't we suppose to do what is right because we love The Lord, and not because we fear the devil? If this is true, then belief (or lack of it) in the devil should have no bearing in the outcome of the plan...... Not believing in the plan however could be problematic.
I am not sure how to respond to this. I am not a Mormon, so I will say no more. But good luck on the plan
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Old 07-19-2014, 01:51 AM   #12
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I am not sure how to respond to this. I am not a Mormon, so I will say no more. But good luck on the plan
Why don't you teach us about the Muslim plan of salvation? How many degrees of glory do you believe in?
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Old 07-19-2014, 01:58 AM   #13
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What you believe about the devil.
I am afraid as a Shia Muslim, my belief is going to be too strong for your taste and will defintely bore the board as well. But you as sc-fi aficionado could share your brilliant imagination and describe how you would do to destroy the plan your friends are talking about.
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I am afraid as a Shia Muslim, my belief is going to be too strong for your taste and will defintely bore the board as well. But you as sc-fi aficionado could share your brilliant imagination and describe how you would do to destroy the plan your friends are talking about.
You would be a great politician.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:18 PM   #15
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I am afraid as a Shia Muslim, my belief is going to be too strong for your taste and will defintely bore the board as well. But you as sc-fi aficionado could share your brilliant imagination and describe how you would do to destroy the plan your friends are talking about.
I thought Iblis or Shaytan was a fallen angel, who refused to bow down to Adam. (By the way, how do you like the Adam-God parallel).

Here is a link purporting to explain it. http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/i/iblis.html

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Iblis is the name for the devil in the Qur'an. Although the term "devil" comes from the Greek diabolos, the Muslims derived the name from the Arabic, balasa, "he despaired," which can be interpreted "despaired of the mercy of God" but he is also al-Shairan, Satan, and "the enemy of God." The latter aspect of Satan is a commonly shared belief of both Muslims and Christians. According to one tradition, when Allah ordered the angels to bow down to the newly created man, Adam, Iblis refused to do so because he, being made of fire, thought himself superior to a creature made of earth. He continues tempting humans, especially through the whisper (waswas, "he whispered") and false suggestion (haiif). In the end, it is believed, he will be cast into Jahannam. Another commonly shared belief held by both religions is that the universal existence of evil in personal lives is usually experienced as a consequence of a personal agent, the devil.
Although both Satan and al-Shairan are identified, Shairan also has a distinct existence, perhaps as the leader of the jinns, a personification of temptation. This coincides with the Muslim belief that each individual is accompanied by two personal spiritual entities; an angel who urges toward good and a shairan who urges toward evil.
Isn't Iblis the Whisperer who whispers to man to commit sin?

How would that be too strong for Sooner?
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Old 07-23-2014, 02:31 PM   #16
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I thought Iblis or Shaytan was a fallen angel, who refused to bow down to Adam. (By the way, how do you like the Adam-God parallel).

Here is a link purporting to explain it. http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/i/iblis.html



Isn't Iblis the Whisperer who whispers to man to commit sin?

How would that be too strong for Sooner?
My belief dances around Almightly God who creates just the goodness. And that evil is the lack of the goodness. We believe that the evil (Iblis) was never an angel but a Jinn who like humans can be good or bad. So for SoonerCoug who has been saying he does not believe in God to actually digest this, will probably make him sick to his stomach.

But this thread is actually a test of our imagination rather our beliefs.

What would you do if you were the evil??
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My belief dances around Almightly God who creates just the goodness. And that evil is the lack of the goodness. We believe that the evil (Iblis) was never an angel but a Jinn who like humans can be good or bad. So for SoonerCoug who has been saying he does not believe in God to actually digest this, will probably make him sick to his stomach.

But this thread is actually a test of our imagination rather our beliefs.

What would you do if you were the evil??
I have no desire to be evil, so I can't even imagine what I would do from a strategic or tactical perspective. Evil seems to be doing pretty well on its own.
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