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MikeWaters · 10-09-2007, 02:39 PM

and there was nothing there that hasn't been said 100 times. She just said it in more direct ways. I.e. you need to be a good homemaker. Getting an education doesn't mean much, if you are not a good homemaker. Being a good homemaker includes cleaning, cooking, washing.

I think this talk was vetted. It says nothing different than we have been told before.

Was Beck's aggression subconscious or conscious? I'm not sure, because I'm not sure how smart she is.

Indy Coug · 10-09-2007, 02:41 PM

Was this the post you made for Cougarboard, only to discover that Jefe has blocked you?

MikeWaters · 10-09-2007, 02:44 PM

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Was this the post you made for Cougarboard, only to discover that Jefe has blocked you?

No. Farrah and I watched the talk again. I think it was more offensive to her than me. I told Farrah, "what guy doesn't want his wife to cook better?" She did not take kindly to my endorsement of her talk.

But seriously, she was not going out on a limb. Do you disagree? I think these hard-core homemaker types have a place in the church (clearly they have the central place). I just worry that others will feel excluded and unwanted and unappreciated. I have a daughter, and I will fight hard against this element in the Mormon culture, that subliminally tells her "no, you can't do this".

Indy Coug · 10-09-2007, 02:47 PM

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No. Farrah and I watched the talk again. I think it was more offensive to her than me. I told Farrah, "what guy doesn't want his wife to cook better?" She did not take kindly to my endorsement of her talk.

But seriously, she was not going out on a limb. Do you disagree? I think these hard-core homemaker types have a place in the church (clearly they have the central place). I just worry that others will feel excluded and unwanted and unappreciated. I have a daughter, and I will fight hard against this element in the Mormon culture, that subliminally tells her "no, you can't do this".

I slept through the talk, which is why I haven't argued specifics yet. My wife thought it was a good talk and one in particular that the many new members in our branch needed to hear so they understand the importance the church places on the home, the family and the role of motherhood.

No talk is designed for everyone.

Archaea · 10-09-2007, 02:48 PM

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No. Farrah and I watched the talk again. I think it was more offensive to her than me. I told Farrah, "what guy doesn't want his wife to cook better?" She did not take kindly to my endorsement of her talk.

But seriously, she was not going out on a limb. Do you disagree? I think these hard-core homemaker types have a place in the church (clearly they have the central place). I just worry that others will feel excluded and unwanted and unappreciated. I have a daughter, and I will fight hard against this element in the Mormon culture, that subliminally tells her "no, you can't do this".

I suppose there might be little harm in it, but it seems odd for our international women's organization to have a President who seems so ordinary. Why we don't have a woman physician who is on top of her game, or a woman author leading the group is beyond me. Here we have a non-working mother of three with nothing extraordinary to her name. And then she gives such a lame talk.

I believe that talk proves the speakers write their own talks.

MikeWaters · 10-09-2007, 02:52 PM

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I suppose there might be little harm in it, but it seems odd for our international women's organization to have a President who seems so ordinary. Why we don't have a woman physician who is on top of her game, or a woman author leading the group is beyond me. Here we have a non-working mother of three with nothing extraordinary to her name. And then she gives such a lame talk.

I believe that talk proves the speakers write their own talks.

What was Elaine Jack's background? It's interesting that it was her presidency that seems to be the only time women leaders in the church captured the Mormon public's imagination.

Archaea · 10-09-2007, 02:54 PM

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What was Elaine Jack's background? It's interesting that it was her presidency that seems to be the only time women leaders in the church captured the Mormon public's imagination.

We should have some of best and brightest, most educated women being the leaders, not just the average run of the mill types there.

Indy Coug · 10-09-2007, 02:59 PM

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We should have some of best and brightest, most educated women being the leaders, not just the average run of the mill types there.

You are seriously a piece of work.

Archaea · 10-09-2007, 03:00 PM

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You are seriously a piece of work.

We cherish you Indy, we really do.

Tex · 10-09-2007, 03:02 PM

Beck is an idiot. I'll bet she has never stepped 15 feet beyond the Murray city limits except to spout her idealistic nonsense from the Conference Center pulpit. How do such uninformed, unimpressive people get to be at the head of this church? "Weak things of the earth," my butt.

I'm tired of these pompous, condescending men and women telling us what to do. Who do they think they are, God's mouthpieces?

10-09-2007, 02:39 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I listened to the Beck talk again and there was nothing there that hasn't been said 100 times. She just said it in more direct ways. I.e. you need to be a good homemaker. Getting an education doesn't mean much, if you are not a good homemaker. Being a good homemaker includes cleaning, cooking, washing. I think this talk was vetted. It says nothing different than we have been told before. Was Beck's aggression subconscious or conscious? I'm not sure, because I'm not sure how smart she is.

10-09-2007, 03:02 PM	#10
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	Beck is an idiot. I'll bet she has never stepped 15 feet beyond the Murray city limits except to spout her idealistic nonsense from the Conference Center pulpit. How do such uninformed, unimpressive people get to be at the head of this church? "Weak things of the earth," my butt. I'm tired of these pompous, condescending men and women telling us what to do. Who do they think they are, God's mouthpieces? __________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

10-09-2007, 02:41 PM	#2
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Was this the post you made for Cougarboard, only to discover that Jefe has blocked you?