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Old 09-10-2007, 06:53 PM   #11
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I'm no great interpreter of scripture, but I read that to be an explanation of how Jesus is God, and that he is both Father and Son, for the reasons Abinidi states. I don't think I can take away from this that the Father is also the Son or the Holy Ghost that would be a step beyond what Abinidi is saying. Nor do I think it is saying that Elohim and Jehovah are interchangeable titles. It is saying that Jesus is everything the father is.

So while I think the scripture you are quoting lends support to that statement in part, I don't think it lends support to a much more expansive "any or all."
so you agree that you can refer to Jesus using the title "Father" and you can refer to the Father as "The Son," because of "The Flesh."
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so you agree that you can refer to Jesus using the title "Father" and you can refer to the Father as "The Son," because of "The Flesh."
No. I read that to mean that Jesus may be called Father and Son for the reasons stated. I don't read it to mean that the Father is also the Son.
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I just finished reading the article. Hillarious conclusion:

Conclusion
I am under no delusion that this paper will persuade Latter-day
Saints to abandon or adjust their viewpoint. I also expect that many
evangelicals will balk at embracing my arguments. Ironically, both
sides may take solace in mutually disagreeing with me. That would be
fine.
What is more important in my mind is to clearly articulate the
text and to contextualize the Hebrew Bible on its own terms. I leave
the Spirit to work in each heart as he sees fit.
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