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fusnik11 · 11-28-2005, 05:30 PM

was jesus perfect in the sense he never sinned?

or was he perfect in the sense that as he learned, im assuming precept upon precept, that he never sinned? (for example, he back talked a parent at 8 but at 9 realized that doing that was wrong and never did it again)

at what point did he realize he was the savior?

why did he wait until 30 to get baptized?

Archaea · 11-28-2005, 05:54 PM

and as the few references to his childhood make clear, knew his role early on.

His situation was so unique he had to be prepared from the onset.

You can see how it can be done. There are children who commit very little sin. He was above even that.

This is my belief and my faith. If otherwise revealed, then I remain to be educated.

ute4ever · 11-29-2005, 03:01 AM

I hesitate to say this because Elder McConkie has been criticized on this board for being inaccurate in some of his pre-apostolic sermons and writings, but his six-volume series on The Mortal Messiah answers your questions, if you take his opinion at face value, that is.

McConkie says historical research shows that ancient Jewish ministry did not commence until age 30. Jesus could not have proselityzed before then without being stoned.

Also, McConkie says Jesus learned and progressed precept upon precept, just like the rest of us. However, because of his advanced spirituality that he brought with him from the pre-mortal realm, he had already reached perfection by the time of his baptism.

MikeWaters · 11-29-2005, 03:08 AM

Do you all think Jesus was married?

One wonders what his marriage was like. If his wife wasn't perfect, and he was, was the marriage perfect?

What were the finer details of this marriage? (so that we can get guidance on our own).

il Padrino Ute · 11-29-2005, 04:32 AM

God's law - the new and everlasting covenant - requires marriage to be able to enter the Celestial Kingdom, just as baptism is required.

I don't believe God allows exceptions to his laws. I believe that Christ was baptized not just to be an example for us, but because it was required of him as well; therefore, marriage would be a requirement.

As for his marriage being perfect, I'm sure that his involvement in it was perfect, though her's wouldn't be, but him being the Savior and being a perfect example of how to live, I doubt they ever argued, as he was the ultimate example of forgiveness.

On a lighter note, what kind of a mother-in-law was Mary? Was any woman good enough for her son?

ute4ever · 11-29-2005, 04:43 AM

For centuries and centuries, the same church who possessed the biblical writings was the same church who adopted celibacy.

Christ himself said many plain and precious things were removed from those scriptures; why wouldn't his marriage be one of them?

fusnik11 · 11-29-2005, 04:41 PM

im sure christ was married. one of his names was the bridegroom. and i dont accept the non-mormon theology explanation that he was married to the church....

and i dont think it strictly has to do with him following all the commandments. im sure he fell in love.

Archaea · 11-29-2005, 04:50 PM

a German instructor who studied with our famous linguistist, had a paper I never read, entitled, "Christ's wives." Provocative to say the least.

I wish we could have learned about being the perfect spouse by him expressing and by showing us how he did it.

fusnik11 · 11-29-2005, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

a German instructor who studied with our famous linguistist, had a paper I never read, entitled, "Christ's wives." Provocative to say the least.

was it not orson pratt, and brigham young who said jesus was a polygamist? that he was persecuted in part because of his marital practices?

ute4ever · 11-29-2005, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusnik11

was it not orson pratt, and brigham young who said jesus was a polygamist? that he was persecuted in part because of his marital practices?

Hmm, so that's why he spent so much time at Mary and Martha's house.

11-28-2005, 05:30 PM	#1
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	jesus' perfection... was jesus perfect in the sense he never sinned? or was he perfect in the sense that as he learned, im assuming precept upon precept, that he never sinned? (for example, he back talked a parent at 8 but at 9 realized that doing that was wrong and never did it again) at what point did he realize he was the savior? why did he wait until 30 to get baptized?

11-28-2005, 05:54 PM	#2
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	He was sinless and as the few references to his childhood make clear, knew his role early on. His situation was so unique he had to be prepared from the onset. You can see how it can be done. There are children who commit very little sin. He was above even that. This is my belief and my faith. If otherwise revealed, then I remain to be educated. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

11-29-2005, 04:32 AM	#5
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	I beleive he was married... God's law - the new and everlasting covenant - requires marriage to be able to enter the Celestial Kingdom, just as baptism is required. I don't believe God allows exceptions to his laws. I believe that Christ was baptized not just to be an example for us, but because it was required of him as well; therefore, marriage would be a requirement. As for his marriage being perfect, I'm sure that his involvement in it was perfect, though her's wouldn't be, but him being the Savior and being a perfect example of how to live, I doubt they ever argued, as he was the ultimate example of forgiveness. On a lighter note, what kind of a mother-in-law was Mary? Was any woman good enough for her son? __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

11-29-2005, 04:41 PM	#7
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	... im sure christ was married. one of his names was the bridegroom. and i dont accept the non-mormon theology explanation that he was married to the church.... and i dont think it strictly has to do with him following all the commandments. im sure he fell in love.

11-29-2005, 04:50 PM	#8
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	While I was in the MTC/LTM a German instructor who studied with our famous linguistist, had a paper I never read, entitled, "Christ's wives." Provocative to say the least. I wish we could have learned about being the perfect spouse by him expressing and by showing us how he did it. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

11-29-2005, 03:01 AM	#3
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	I hesitate to say this because Elder McConkie has been criticized on this board for being inaccurate in some of his pre-apostolic sermons and writings, but his six-volume series on The Mortal Messiah answers your questions, if you take his opinion at face value, that is. McConkie says historical research shows that ancient Jewish ministry did not commence until age 30. Jesus could not have proselityzed before then without being stoned. Also, McConkie says Jesus learned and progressed precept upon precept, just like the rest of us. However, because of his advanced spirituality that he brought with him from the pre-mortal realm, he had already reached perfection by the time of his baptism.

11-29-2005, 03:08 AM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Do you all think Jesus was married? One wonders what his marriage was like. If his wife wasn't perfect, and he was, was the marriage perfect? What were the finer details of this marriage? (so that we can get guidance on our own).

11-29-2005, 04:43 AM	#6
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	For centuries and centuries, the same church who possessed the biblical writings was the same church who adopted celibacy. Christ himself said many plain and precious things were removed from those scriptures; why wouldn't his marriage be one of them?