On scandal and excommunication

[Indy Coug]

What law(s) did Bybee break in opining that waterboarding wasn't torture? Additionally, what doctrine(s) did Bybee directly refute in order to hold that opinion?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

What law(s) did Bybee break in opining that waterboarding wasn't torture? Additionally, what doctrine(s) did Bybee directly refute in order to hold that opinion?

What was Labute's sin having two LDS characters who were gay bashers?

To answer your question: conspiracy to break the law. The doctrine is simple: read the Sermon on the Mount.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

What was Labute's sin having two LDS characters who were gay bashers?

To answer your question: conspiracy to break the law. The doctrine is simple: read the Sermon on the Mount.

You didn't answer my question: what law expressly forbade waterboarding?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

You didn't answer my question: what law expressly forbade waterboarding?

Did you mean US Law or God's law?

US law - 1994 Torture statute + case law where the USA tried and convicted people of torture for using waterboarding.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

US law - 1994 Torture statute + case law where the USA tried and convicted people of torture for using waterboarding.

OK, I Googled unsuccessfully. Link?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

OK, I Googled unsuccessfully. Link?

lazy bum.

http://tinyurl.com/c7wd78

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

lazy bum.

http://tinyurl.com/c7wd78

I didn't see any reference to "water" or "waterboard" in that statute.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...I_20_113C.html

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I didn't see any reference to "water" or "waterboard" in that statute.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...I_20_113C.html

well, I knew you were going the "dipshit" route, but like watching a catastrophe in slow-motion, I followed along anyway.

between you and Tex, I will say this--two pumpkins does not equal one brain.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

well, I knew you were going the "dipshit" route, but like watching a catastrophe in slow-motion, I followed along anyway.

between you and Tex, I will say this--two pumpkins does not equal one brain.

So back to my original question: Where is waterboarding explicitly prohibited by US law? If all we have here is the vague language of "severe" or "extreme" or "harmful" or whatever, there is going to be reasonable differences of opinion.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So back to my original question: Where is waterboarding explicitly prohibited by US law? If all we have here is the vague language of "severe" or "extreme" or "harmful" or whatever, there is going to be reasonable differences of opinion.

as you know, laws are usually written to deal with general circumstances, and judges and juries interpret them.

What is self-defense?

What is manslaughter?

Even if for some reason you thought that waterboarding did not constitute:

1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

You would then look at the case law, right? You would say to yourself, has waterboarding previously been considered torture, and have people been prosecuted for it by the US government?

I guess Bybee was just too lazy or incompetent to look at case law.