Did you see the lame explanation in the Snews

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

But calling a wild card just doesn't happen when it comes to the Q of the 12. It's almost always someone that the prophet knows very well.... always someone with whom the prophet and other members of the 12 have worked closely.

Prayerful consideration and revelation <> "wild card".

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Prayerful consideration and revelation <> "wild card".

Then it must be pure coincidence that all of those who have been selected were very well known to at least a few members of the 12 and the prophet.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

This is precisely what I believe Arch is doing. Arch, have you ever been in a position where you've had to prayerfully find counselors or people to fill positions in church?

Methinks you speak in a position of complete ignorance, and given my experience of what goes on at the local level gives me no reason to believe that Pres Hinckley is different and relies more on geographic/cultural/racial/etc cronyism than exists on a local level.

I have selected counselors for positions and I have been in a position for those selecting to observe it. Next question.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You don't "presume to know the mechanics of how a prophet selects a new apostle," and yet you don't hesitate to point out that there is no possible way it was done in the fashion some have suggested. Isn't your dismissal of any idea about choosing an apostle a presumption to know the mechanics of how apostles are chosen?

Hint: the correct answer is "yes."

I suppose I know something about how they are not chosen. If Arch starts suggesting they use a Ouija board to discern the names, I feel pretty safe in calling that bunk.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Then it must be pure coincidence that all of those who have been selected were very well known to at least a few members of the 12 and the prophet.

You are warping the point, as usual. I think it's pretty apparent that the Lord doesn't expect his prophet to pull names off the aforementioned Ouija board. Obviously having some acquaintance with potential apostles comes with the territory of being called.

However, the intimation is that it's the driving force behind who gets called ... that the prophet just thinks up a few good golfing buddies and picks one. Lost on you and others is the possibility that God put people in certain places at certain times just SO they would be called to specific positions.

It's a wonder you folks try so hard to remove God as far from his church as you can get him.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

Lost on you and others is the possibility that God put people in certain places at certain times just SO they would be called to specific positions

It's not lost upon me, because that's the explanation you and your ilk foist upon us who question. It's just not very palatable.

We have OT stories of prophets going to great lengths to find outsiders a la David, and we see no David stories in current appointments.

Your argument is akin to the "royal lineage" of kings, i.e., God only raises up the rulers within the ruling elite and none other are worthy of God's grace. That's your intimation and the logical extension of your argument, namely, only righteous lines are entitled to lead.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I suppose I know something about how they are not chosen. If Arch starts suggesting they use a Ouija board to discern the names, I feel pretty safe in calling that bunk.

Please explain how you know something about how they are NOT chosen without pretending to know anything about how they ARE chosen. I could just save you the time here:

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...9&postcount=72

[Indy Coug]

I hope you guys listened to Elder Hales' talk this afternoon.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I hope you guys listened to Elder Hales' talk this afternoon.

Why don't you interpret it for us so that we don't miss your construction of it.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Why don't you interpret it for us so that we don't miss your construction of it.

I think you mean the Lord's construction of it. Indy would know.