excommunication in other churches

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I know cases where a dad beating the shit out of his kid helped him too. I don't say that totally sarcastically, either, because as a parent or as a church leader sometimes you really are exasperated on what to do.

Yes, I do think it can be violent. I don't think it's right, at least how it is applied today. Though, it's becoming less frequent and trending the right direction.

OK, I was thinking in the context of the original question and excommunication being an act of love. I guess a violent act can be an act of love.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BYU71

OK, I was thinking in the context of the original question and excommunication being an act of love. I guess a violent act can be an act of love.

Did you bring your leather, whip and chain? I understand S&M practitioners are great lovers.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by BYU71

OK, I was thinking in the context of the original question and excommunication being an act of love. I guess a violent act can be an act of love.

"This is going to hurt me more than it is going to hurt you." :-)

[Indy Coug]

How often does the church seek out extremely inactive members, get the scoop on what sins they're committing and then excommunicate them? In my experience, essentially never.

I see the purpose of excommunication as primarily two-fold:

1. To prevent those from participating in the church that are actively trying to participate.

2. To provide a path whereby they can return into the good graces of the church and once again participate in the church.

Is that motivated by "love"? I think it often is ONE of the motivations.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

How often does the church seek out extremely inactive members, get the scoop on what sins they're committing and then excommunicate them? In my experience, essentially never.

I see the purpose of excommunication as primarily two-fold:

1. To prevent those from participating in the church that are actively trying to participate.

2. To provide a path whereby they can return into the good graces of the church and once again participate in the church.

Is that motivated by "love"? I think it often is ONE of the motivations.

when Jefe has doled out the full santos and when I have doled out (just once) the full finderson, trust me, it is not motivated by love.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

when Jefe has doled out the full santos and when I have doled out (just once) the full finderson, trust me, it is not motivated by love.

You're comparing CB and CG to church discipline?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

You're comparing CB and CG to church discipline?

I am saying that protection of the community is usually the number one reason that people are kicked out of communities.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Who carried out the "flood order"?

It never happened, so God gets a pass on this one.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I am saying that protection of the community is usually the number one reason that people are kicked out of communities.

Well, I think that was more or less captured in reason #1 that I stated above.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I am saying that protection of the community is usually the number one reason that people are kicked out of communities.

Exactly. How could you keep discipline without it.

Take the honor code at BYU, I know Indy I'm obsessed, that honor code is there and it's enforcement is to control the community (students). No other reason.