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BYU71 · 10-05-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

Did they really need a study to come to those conclusions? That men like hot, young babes, and lots of them?

I have said before and will say again, it is a God given talent.

I actually think women are more sensitive, caring, meticulous, loving and all those really good nuturing qualities.

If it wasn't for the God given male sex drive, only gay guys would hang out with women.

Archaea · 10-05-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

In my old ward, we had a divorced, slender lady as the RS president. Think that was a strategic move by the bishop?

All the fat ones said no, or had already served in that position?

I can't remember the last skinny RS President I've seen. I only remember one with an advanced degree and none with a job.

Indy Coug · 10-05-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Women in the church are not allowed to think independently or express their thoughts openly. There are no forums and the penalties too great to take a risk.

Two very quick examples: ward welfare and ward council meetings do exactly that. That's hardly an exhaustive list, but you said there are "no forums", so I didn't need to be exhaustive.

MikeWaters · 10-05-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Two very quick examples: ward welfare and ward council meetings do exactly that. That's hardly an exhaustive list, but you said there are "no forums", so I didn't need to be exhaustive.

But there is no equivalent to PEC for women.

I think the penalties are greater for men than women, for not towing the line.

Because men have an expected hierarchy, whereas women in the church in some ways can step out.

Do women play a somewhat marginal role in many respects? Yes, they do.

Tex · 10-05-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

But there is no equivalent to PEC for women.

I think the penalties are greater for men than women, for not towing the line.

Because men have an expected hierarchy, whereas women in the church in some ways can step out.

Do women play a somewhat marginal role in many respects? Yes, they do.

It seems the misconception in this thread is about priesthood power. Those who have it = 1st class. Those who don't = 2nd class.

That is an incorrect understanding of how the church functions. Until a person rids themself of this perspective, there's really no point in discussion women vs. men in the church.

BYU71 · 10-05-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Indy, I know you are more intelligent than your comment reflects. Your sample consists of a wife and the women in your family? Based on my experiences with a much broader cross section of both married and single LDS women, I can "opine" (you are watching way too much O'Reilly Fox News) the following:

1. The majority of educated (college degree plus post graduate) LDS women are of the opinion the Church, as an institution, unfairly (key word) excludes women from positions of power/influence.
2. The religious practices and customs of the LDS Church literally brainwash girls from a young age forward that we are secondary to males. Examples abound: from Primary and YW through the marriage ceremony.

Women in the church are not allowed to think independently or express their thoughts openly. There are no forums and the penalties too great to take a risk.

I do not think of the church as an institution that we get a say in. If the brethern say no priesthood for the ladies, it really doesn't matter how they feel does it. These churches that change their doctrine based on the members vote or attitude I don't understand. Unless of course God just sets up guidelines and then asks us to work things out within those guidelines. If I beleived in that, I would scurry off to one of those churches.

If this isn't God's church, it will eventually evolve into one of those where members get to vote, if not physically with their attitudes. With the growth and spread outside of Utah and Idaho comes more who are not culturally and religiously tied to the church.

Flystripper · 10-05-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

It seems the misconception in this thread is about priesthood power. Those who have it = 1st class. Those who don't = 2nd class.

That is an incorrect understanding of how the church functions. Until a person rids themself of this perspective, there's really no point in discussion women vs. men in the church.

priesthood = authority

Authority exercised = power

Indy Coug · 10-05-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

But there is no equivalent to PEC for women.

You say that like it holds some significance. In my experience, there is very little practical difference between PEC and ward council other than the meeting frequency.

Archaea · 10-05-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flystripper

priesthood = authority

Authority exercised = power

Agreed.

Can a woman make any religious decision with authority in Church? No. No power for women.

MikeWaters · 10-05-2007, 05:24 PM

Who decides who occupies which callings? While some bishops may ask for suggestions from women, it's men that make the call.

Who decides on speakers and talks? Men.

Who makes final decisions about finances? Men. Despite the fact we have a female accountant in our ward, she will never be the financial clerk? Why?

etc. etc.

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Who decides who occupies which callings? While some bishops may ask for suggestions from women, it's men that make the call. Who decides on speakers and talks? Men. Who makes final decisions about finances? Men. Despite the fact we have a female accountant in our ward, she will never be the financial clerk? Why? etc. etc.