Monson: Gay Marriage Fight in CA 'Is Our Gettysburg'

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

Speaking of ironic . . .

I've always suspected Waters was a genius. I think the irony was clearly intentional.

[Solon]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the "twin relics of barbarism" that Lincoln's Republican party was committed to ending: slavery and polygamy.

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/r1856.html

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I've always suspected Waters was a genius. I think the irony was clearly intentional.

Talk about sycophantic . . .

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Solon

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the "twin relics of barbarism" that Lincoln's Republican party was committed to ending: slavery and polygamy.

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/r1856.html

This is what had surprised me a ltitle aboutthe supposed support fo rthe confederacy. Based on materials I had read from the period, even though the Republicans and the press waged a vigorous propaganda war agains these twin relics, the contemproary wirtings of mormons I had seen from the time period pledged abiding suport to the consitution and its sanctity. I didn't see a lot of States Rights stuff (at least not in the convetional sense), which was what the confederacy hung its hat on. I never have sutdied it systematically, however, but it did suprise me a litte bit.

[Sleeping in EQ]

When I think of Lincoln, I think of his good friend Orville Browning, who helped found the Republican Party. Oh yeah, I also remember that Browning sucessfully defended some of the members of the Carthage mob against murder charges in the deaths of Joseph and Hyrum.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

Talk about sycophantic . . .

Do you deny Waters' statement was terrific, including the irony?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Do you deny Waters' statement was terrific, including the irony?

Yes. Becasue if it is intended to be ironic and was not sincere, than his whole act here is largely inexcusable. It is a 'brillaince' founded in ridicule and misstatement that he should find embarassing. I think you are working too hard for this.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

When I think of Lincoln, I think of his good friend Orville Browning, who helped found the Republican Party. Oh yeah, I also remember that Browning sucessfully defended some of the members of the Carthage mob against murder charges in the deaths of Joseph and Hyrum.

What does this mean? Surely you don't evaluate Lincoln's works through this prism alone?

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by creekster

What does this mean? Surely you don't evaluate Lincoln's works through this prism alone?

No. It's just my lame attempt at being provocative.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

No. It's just my lame attempt at being provocative.

SOrry, I was on my own self-righteous kick and missed it.