I've thought long and hard about Prop. 8

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Wow. Just wow.

BDB represents the views of 99% of active LDS.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

BDB represents the views of 99% of active LDS.

99%? Are you saying that this site has sufficient magical powers to suck in a goodly number of people who happen to be in the 1%?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

BDB represents the views of 99% of active LDS.

She may....at least on this issue.

However, ask an unmarried YSA in his or her 30s about the Church's views on heterosexual marriage, timing of marriage, delaying marriage, etc.....and I doubt they would be so firm in their belief that we should do exactly as our Church leaders say. All of sudden, there are reasons and rationalizations for not obeying the plain, literal counsel we have received on that topic.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

She may....at least on this issue.

However, ask an unmarried YSA in his or her 30s about the Church's views on heterosexual marriage, timing of marriage, delaying marriage, etc.....and I doubt they would be so firm in their belief that we should do exactly as our Church leaders say. All of sudden, there are reasons and rationalizations for not obeying the plain, literal counsel we have received on that topic.

Yikes. Low blow. You're freaking viscious.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Yikes. Low blow. You're freaking viscious.

Low blow? In what way?

We are talking about obedience here. Those that are for Prop 8 use "obedience" as a rationale for supporting the Proposition. I have stated before that I think that obedience is about the only valid reason anyone can provide.

I am merely pointing out that many who wave the banner of obedience are being inconsistent. YSAs are a good example. BDB said yesterday that we made promises to obey, that once we sustain, we have no ability to pick and choose. Well, the Church has been very clear on not delaying marriage. So now who is picking and choosing?

BDB said it well...we are all trying our best. None of us is perfect.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by OrangeUte

everybody else probably has ex ute on ignore, and i'm getting close to that myself.

exie, you're pretty good at raising questions - that's easy to do. but, why don't you actually contribute something to the conversation instead of only taking a self-righteous and questioning position.

for starters, how is it harmful to society to have homosexuals marry? remember, this is an issue of allowing a group of people to have certain legal rights - it is not about whether homosexuality is considered a sin by the LDS church and/or other religions.

Just looking for your opininon. The tone of your response clearly indicates what you think the Lord thinks........but it is in opposition to what you think and thus you don't have the nads to answer the question honestly.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by OrangeUte

everybody else probably has ex ute on ignore, and i'm getting close to that myself.

exie, you're pretty good at raising questions - that's easy to do. but, why don't you actually contribute something to the conversation instead of only taking a self-righteous and questioning position.

for starters, how is it harmful to society to have homosexuals marry? remember, this is an issue of allowing a group of people to have certain legal rights - it is not about whether homosexuality is considered a sin by the LDS church and/or other religions.

should be involved. My question goes directly to the core of that issue......if the church believes it's immoral, why should they remain quiet. No one else does. That's why I want to know what you think the lord thinks of homosexual marriage. Ordained, or not ordained of God. If not ordained, the Church has every right, even a responsibility, to have their voice heard.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

She may....at least on this issue.

However, ask an unmarried YSA in his or her 30s about the Church's views on heterosexual marriage, timing of marriage, delaying marriage, etc.....and I doubt they would be so firm in their belief that we should do exactly as our Church leaders say. All of sudden, there are reasons and rationalizations for not obeying the plain, literal counsel we have received on that topic.

Interesting. At what age does the church say you should get married. What is defined as 'delayed'? But sodomy is pretty cut and dried don't you think?

[DrumNFeather]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

BDB represents the views of 99% of active LDS.

47% of all statistics are made up.

[Ceteris Paribus]

Originally Posted by exUte

Just looking for your opininon. The tone of your response clearly indicates what you think the Lord thinks........but it is in opposition to what you think and thus you don't have the nads to answer the question honestly.

Yes, the exie/fundamentalist game. Only the brethren know the will of the Lord.

Check your cerebellum at the door and fill up that tithing envelope. We'll take care of the rest...