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Jim Swarthout · 10-28-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

The First Presidency donated under the names Stalin, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein.

I'm not sure what names the Twelve used, but I heard a rumor that Packer got dibs on using Osama bin Laden.

They could have just used "TEX" instead.

Tex · 10-28-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Swarthout

They could have just used "TEX" instead.

Already taken. I donated under the name Tex Bigot. Look it up.

Cali Coug · 10-28-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Swarthout

You raise an interesting point. Go to http://mormonsfor8.com/ and check the donor rolls to see how many of the FP or Q12 have personally donated their own money to this effort. I think it speaks volumes that they have not put their own money where their mouths are on Prop 8.

Wow- that is actually a bit surprising. Maybe now when I am asked to donate, I will just say I will donate the same amount of money that the 12 have donated.

Jeff Lebowski · 10-28-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Solon

I think this is him - http://www.josephvogel.net/id2.html

Can you really get a BS in English (not a BA)?

Aha. Now I remember.

PaloAltoCougar · 10-28-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Wow- that is actually a bit surprising. Maybe now when I am asked to donate, I will just say I will donate the same amount of money that the 12 have donated.

I have no comment on those who don't donate, but looking over the small donors list I was touched by several donations from people I know can barely make ends meet. These people are not motivated by any antipathy toward gays (indeed, one of them works as a hospice caregiver, frequently with AIDS patients, and is a kind of a local Mother Teresa), but rather out of devotion to the Church and its leaders. The Anti-8's who tar such donors with accusations of hate and bigotry are wrong, at least in the case of these donors. I'll be happy for their sakes when this thing ends next week.

Cali Coug · 10-28-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar

I have no comment on those who don't donate, but looking over the small donors list I was touched by several donations from people I know can barely make ends meet. These people are not motivated by any antipathy toward gays (indeed, one of them works as a hospice caregiver, frequently with AIDS patients, and is a kind of a local Mother Teresa), but rather out of devotion to the Church and its leaders. The Anti-8's who tar such donors with accusations of hate and bigotry are wrong, at least in the case of these donors. I'll be happy for their sakes when this thing ends next week.

I agree. I had some of the same thoughts. I don't know a lot of the donors on the lists, but I do know a few. I think it is like any political movement. You have some people who have bad reasons for doing something, and some people who have good reasons for doing something, even if I don't agree with their conclusions.

creekster · 10-28-2008, 07:09 PM

Two comments. First, the church has not donated. Instead, the 19M is from members. My guess is the 12 don't donate because they do not want to try to draw the distinction between themselves and the church in the press. Note, I said that is a guess.

Second, the linked web site actually understates the number of members donating. At least from my area, as I recognize many names that are not identified as members who are , in fact, members. Thus, the number of donating members is certainly higher

I also concur with PAC's observations.

Jeff Lebowski · 10-28-2008, 07:20 PM

This is an interesting article on the toll taken by the Church's involvement in Prop 8:

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_10797630

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Latter-day Saints are free to disagree with their church on the issue without facing any sanction, said L. Whitney Clayton of the LDS Quorum of the Seventy. "We love them and bear them no ill will."

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Gary Lawrence, writing in the online Meridian Magazine, compared opponents of Proposition 8 to those who sided with Lucifer against Jesus in the pre-mortal existence. Others have questioned such members' faith and religious commitment, accusing them of undermining the prophet.

Other comments from Morris Thurston, Todd Compton and Armand Mauss. Check it out.

SoCalCoug · 10-28-2008, 07:30 PM

Didn't I see a similar quote about opponents to Prop 8 siding with Lucifer on CB?

PaloAltoCougar · 10-28-2008, 07:33 PM

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Didn't I see a similar quote about opponents to Prop 8 siding with Lucifer on CB?

I haven't even taken a stand against Prop. 8, but after saying nice (and accurate) things about my BIL, Morris Thurston, I was informed by one mullah that I would have to choose between the Church and my BIL.

I'm thinking, I'm thinking....

10-28-2008, 07:09 PM	#27
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	Two comments. First, the church has not donated. Instead, the 19M is from members. My guess is the 12 don't donate because they do not want to try to draw the distinction between themselves and the church in the press. Note, I said that is a guess. Second, the linked web site actually understates the number of members donating. At least from my area, as I recognize many names that are not identified as members who are , in fact, members. Thus, the number of donating members is certainly higher I also concur with PAC's observations. __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.

10-28-2008, 07:30 PM	#29
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	Didn't I see a similar quote about opponents to Prop 8 siding with Lucifer on CB? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug