My opinion on the change in the honor code - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

mpfunk · 04-17-2007, 08:35 PM

This change is long overdue. The change finally puts the honor code in line with the position of the church. Now we just need to get the membership of the church to embrace this thought process.

I think it is a joke that the honor code was out of line with church teachings for so many years.

bYuPride · 04-17-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

This change is long overdue. The change finally puts the honor code in line with the position of the church. Now we just need to get the membership of the church to embrace this thought process.

I think it is a joke that the honor code was out of line with church teachings for so many years.

what changes were made to the honor code?

YOhio · 04-17-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bYuPride

what changes were made to the honor code?

Football players on the two-deep are now exempt.

Jeff Lebowski · 04-17-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bYuPride

what changes were made to the honor code?

Premarital sex is still verboten, but goalies are now allowed to use their hands.

pelagius · 04-17-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bYuPride

what changes were made to the honor code?

I think mpfunk is referring to the article in the Trib:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5684555

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The new section of the honor code application reads, in part: "Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or orientation and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards. . . . One's stated sexual orientation is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity."

il Padrino Ute · 04-18-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Premarital sex is still verboten, but goalies are now allowed to use their hands.

Nice.

jay santos · 04-18-2007, 03:51 AM

I finally read the actual change in the text of the Honor Code, and maybe I'm a little dense, but I don't see much of a difference.

What kind of behavior would be punished under the old policy that would not be punished now? Example?

Indy Coug · 04-18-2007, 03:56 AM

Apparently, if you told someone that you have same sex attraction, then they could turn you into the HC.

Of course, I have a hard time seeing a gay student at BYU telling that kind of secret to very many people, and if they did, it would probably be to a friend that wouldn't then stab them in the back by turning them into the HC.

IMO, this rewording has some modest symbolic value, but very little practical value.

jay santos · 04-18-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Apparently, if you told someone that you have same sex attraction, then they could turn you into the HC.

Of course, I have a hard time seeing a gay student at BYU telling that kind of secret to very many people, and if they did, it would probably be to a friend that wouldn't then stab them in the back by turning them into the HC.

IMO, this rewording has some modest symbolic value, but very little practical value.

The text before (from the SL Trib article):

"Brigham Young University will respond to student behavior rather than to feelings or orientation. . . . Advocacy of a homosexual lifestyle (whether implied or explicit) or any behaviors that indicate homosexual conduct, including those not sexual in nature, are inappropriate and violate the Honor Code."

So based on the text before, I don't know how you can kick someone out for admitting they have homosexual tendencies, unless they are advocating homosexuality by promoting it as morally acceptable, which is also against the rules in the new Honor Code.

I see absolutely no change in the content.

Indy Coug · 04-18-2007, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

The text before (from the SL Trib article):

"Brigham Young University will respond to student behavior rather than to feelings or orientation. . . . Advocacy of a homosexual lifestyle (whether implied or explicit) or any behaviors that indicate homosexual conduct, including those not sexual in nature, are inappropriate and violate the Honor Code."

So based on the text before, I don't know how you can kick someone out for admitting they have homosexual tendencies, unless they are advocating homosexuality by promoting it as morally acceptable, which is also against the rules in the new Honor Code.

I see absolutely no change in the content.

Well, that's how I read it too, but I was just trying to explain how it was interpreted by others that saw the rewording as significant.

04-17-2007, 08:35 PM	#1
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	My opinion on the change in the honor code This change is long overdue. The change finally puts the honor code in line with the position of the church. Now we just need to get the membership of the church to embrace this thought process. I think it is a joke that the honor code was out of line with church teachings for so many years.

04-18-2007, 03:51 AM	#7
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	I finally read the actual change in the text of the Honor Code, and maybe I'm a little dense, but I don't see much of a difference. What kind of behavior would be punished under the old policy that would not be punished now? Example?

04-18-2007, 03:56 AM	#8
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Apparently, if you told someone that you have same sex attraction, then they could turn you into the HC. Of course, I have a hard time seeing a gay student at BYU telling that kind of secret to very many people, and if they did, it would probably be to a friend that wouldn't then stab them in the back by turning them into the HC. IMO, this rewording has some modest symbolic value, but very little practical value.