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There are likely thousands of gay men married in the temple to straight women in the church. |
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Is there a difference in the mutability of sexual orientation in women compared to men?
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08-18-2008, 02:40 PM | #3 |
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Yes. Some go from liking to men and desiring them, to hating them and wanting to have nothing to do with men. They're called divorcees.
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Truth be told there isn't a lot of evidence either way on the choice question, except for the testimony of millions upon millions of homosexuals, with virtually no contradiction or dissent. Why isn't that good enough? There is also common sense: why would someome choose to be gay? I agreed with Waters when he said if he could choose sexual preference for his children he would choose straight, for no other reason than that a straight's life is easier than a gay's.
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08-18-2008, 03:43 PM | #6 | |
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What you are citing was a much hotter topic about 7 years ago. I've heard much less about it since. I think it's a dying movement. Would YOU call it a success if your straight daughter married a gay man? I doubt it. |
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They claimed they no longer were sexually attracted to members of the same sex. Were they honest? I don't know. Did the change in sexual attraction last? I don't know. All I'm pointing out is that there are people who have claimed they have successfully changed their orientation and it should be worth some additional scrutiny to determine the validity of their claims and if the claims are valid, determine how the change came about. Why haven't we heard anything more about it? I think there's overwhelming political pressure not to admit sexual orientation is mutable if that was actually the case. Furthermore, to claim that sexual orientation is mutable for SOME does not necessarily extrapolate to a claim that it is mutable for ALL. |
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08-18-2008, 03:50 PM | #8 | |
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I have it in the back of my mind, probably reported here or on CB, but that two of the leading proponents of this, a gay man and a gay woman who married, ended up splitting and "reverting" and saying "it was never completely like we said it was, and hoped it was, but we really did try." Hurt the cause. |
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08-18-2008, 03:57 PM | #9 |
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No, the majority of gays (and straights) don't "choose" to be gay or straight. However, there's a significant population who fall in the middle of the continuum who do choose their team, so to speak. I know several women (one a close friend) who had a lesbian phase (lengthy, and beyond just experimentation) and is now happily married to a man. I would call her legitimately bisexual. Curiously, I don't know any men who have gone from gay to straight, but I imagine that is due more to the incredible societal pressure on a man to at least try to be straight from the beginning; if they're openly gay, they've likely already tried the straight route.
Waters is likely right--there are likely a host of LDS men who are gay/bisexual and in hetero relationships. I think the church, to their credit, has certainly shifted in their advice to these men, from "fake it till you make it" to celibacy. |
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I think almost everyone who hears that counsel thinks it means "be celibate from gay sexual relations." Does anyone know of an admonition where it is said young men with SSA should not marry? |
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