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Robin · 05-26-2006, 02:36 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/wo...rtner=homepage

It appears that some rogue marines were involved in the very public murder of some Iraqi civilians. I can think of few things that would do more damage to our efforts in Iraq than this.

As much respect as I have for our military, and as skilled as they may be, it is becoming increasingly clear that the military is the wrong tool for the task at hand.

JohnnyLingo · 05-26-2006, 03:35 PM

Hey, you and Mike agree on something!

Mormon Red Death · 05-26-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Hey, you and Mike agree on something!

that is because mike is a liberal...

UtahDan · 05-26-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/wo...rtner=homepage

It appears that some rogue marines were involved in the very public murder of some Iraqi civilians. I can think of few things that would do more damage to our efforts in Iraq than this.

As much respect as I have for our military, and as skilled as they may be, it is becoming increasingly clear that the military is the wrong tool for the task at hand.

What we really need here is the UN to get involved. If we could just get it to pass some resolutions condemning the terrorists and maybe impose some sanctions, our problems would be over.

Cali Coug · 05-26-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahDan

What we really need here is the UN to get involved. If we could just get it to pass some resolutions condemning the terrorists and maybe impose some sanctions, our problems would be over.

You mean, an INTERNATIONAL approach????? GASP!!!!

When I hear comments like that, I wonder if the terrorists have already won...

myboynoah · 05-26-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahDan

What we really need here is the UN to get involved. If we could just get it to pass some resolutions condemning the terrorists and maybe impose some sanctions, our problems would be over.

Agreed. I think I see where you're coming from. International condemnation and sanctions appear to be the most effective course of action at this time. After all, I've never seen a sanction hurt a civilian.

creekster · 05-26-2006, 08:50 PM

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Agreed. I think I see where you're coming from. International condemnation and sanctions appear to be the most effective course of action at this time. After all, I've never seen a sanction hurt a civilian.

Sorting out the TIC portion here isstarting to give me a headache.

UtahDan · 05-26-2006, 09:45 PM

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Agreed. I think I see where you're coming from. International condemnation and sanctions appear to be the most effective course of action at this time. After all, I've never seen a sanction hurt a civilian.

Better yet, why don't we offer them Czechoslovakia. It worked in 1939.

MikeWaters · 05-26-2006, 10:00 PM

Bush is an idiot because....

....he thinks this war can be won in the deserts of the middle east

...he thinks that winning hearts and minds is unimportant

...he thinks that quasi-torture is a strategic win, rather than a short-sighted tactical win

Afghanistant is an interesting situation. Before that war, we had rule by the Taliban, and OBL giving orders to his clan, and warlords ruling over society in general.

Now, outside of the capital city, we have warlords ruling the country, the taliban coming back to power and controlling portions of the country, and OBL giving direction and orders to his clan.

Progress has been incremental and uncertain.

As was said last night by one of the commentators (retired General I believe), we will not know if we have "won" the war in Iraq when we leave.

In fact, talk of "winning" the fight against the insurgency has completely been abandoned. At this point, I don't know that we even have a definition of a win. Lack of civil war and many years until development of a WOMD is a win perhaps.

We have completely underestimated the difficulty of nation building. Of rolling back millenia of hate, bloodshed, and tradition. How did we become so arrogant? Perhaps is to our credit that we are so foolhardy, so naive, so willing to take on this Quixotic task of reshaping the world with our swords.

il Padrino Ute · 05-27-2006, 01:49 AM

So, should we just nuke 'em into oblivion?

05-26-2006, 02:36 PM	#1
Robin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 961	Devastating news from Iraq. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/wo...rtner=homepage It appears that some rogue marines were involved in the very public murder of some Iraqi civilians. I can think of few things that would do more damage to our efforts in Iraq than this. As much respect as I have for our military, and as skilled as they may be, it is becoming increasingly clear that the military is the wrong tool for the task at hand.

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il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	So, should we just nuke 'em into oblivion? __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

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JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Hey, you and Mike agree on something!

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Bush is an idiot because.... ....he thinks this war can be won in the deserts of the middle east ...he thinks that winning hearts and minds is unimportant ...he thinks that quasi-torture is a strategic win, rather than a short-sighted tactical win Afghanistant is an interesting situation. Before that war, we had rule by the Taliban, and OBL giving orders to his clan, and warlords ruling over society in general. Now, outside of the capital city, we have warlords ruling the country, the taliban coming back to power and controlling portions of the country, and OBL giving direction and orders to his clan. Progress has been incremental and uncertain. As was said last night by one of the commentators (retired General I believe), we will not know if we have "won" the war in Iraq when we leave. In fact, talk of "winning" the fight against the insurgency has completely been abandoned. At this point, I don't know that we even have a definition of a win. Lack of civil war and many years until development of a WOMD is a win perhaps. We have completely underestimated the difficulty of nation building. Of rolling back millenia of hate, bloodshed, and tradition. How did we become so arrogant? Perhaps is to our credit that we are so foolhardy, so naive, so willing to take on this Quixotic task of reshaping the world with our swords.