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Archaea · 01-28-2009, 03:15 PM

I just read byu had a basketball game, and lost as is becoming par for this year's course, against the Utes of all teams. Man, we must really suck.

MikeWaters · 01-28-2009, 03:26 PM

First round loss in the NIT. Called it first.

Archaea · 01-28-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

First round loss in the NIT. Called it first.

We must really suck this year. Can't even win in Marriott Center and losing to the Utes. What's weird, is we actually have some players who might be able to play, but the team can't win tight games any more.

MikeWaters · 01-28-2009, 03:35 PM

It's hard to win small-ball when your center sucks, and the team as a whole is slow.

Think about it. A small unathletic front line, backed by an unathletic backcourt.

As much of a disappointment and headcase as Plaisted was, he was heads and shoulders better than his backups. We really miss Collinsworth as well, with his length and rebounding and defense.

On a good team, Tavernari would be a 6th man. On a mediocre team he is the starting power forward, esp. when that mediocre team starts a terrible 5.

Archaea · 01-28-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's hard to win small-ball when your center sucks, and the team as a whole is slow.

Think about it. A small unathletic front line, backed by an unathletic backcourt.

As much of a disappointment and headcase as Plaisted was, he was heads and shoulders better than his backups. We really miss Collinsworth as well, with his length and rebounding and defense.

On a good team, Tavernari would be a 6th man. On a mediocre team he is the starting power forward, esp. when that mediocre team starts a terrible 5.

I agree the loss of Plaisted was underestimated. BYU just never can seem to get enough pieces in basketball to make an exciting team.

Rose has a good offensive scheme for the most part, he just has lousy, slow players. His forwards are abysmal, except Tav can shoot a little and Abou, plays like a freshman but shows he might be able to play. Jimmer is the best player but has no support, and Emery is up and down. The power forward-center play is non-existent.

No speed, no ability inside, leaves one to pop threes from the outside and hope they fall. Not a good omen. We will lose in the NIT in the Marriott Center. So I agree. The bottom seems to be falling out on this team.

MikeWaters · 01-28-2009, 03:46 PM

Tavernari has been to the line extraordinarily rarely for a power forward. He is the definition of a slow finesse player. Hence he should be the offensive spark-plug off the bench.

I've only watched one game this season, but one has to wonder where the leadership on this team is coming from. Cummard was expected to carry this team, but it seems that he just disappears on the floor, and one wonders if he does the same in the lockerroom.

Oh well, don't really care. I'm more worried about my own game than sitting in front of the tube. I really don't even care to go to the TCU game.

SeattleUte · 01-28-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

First round loss in the NIT. Called it first.

Looks like it hurt to lose Plaistead, eh?

BlueK · 02-02-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

First round loss in the NIT. Called it first.

We aren't going to the NIT. A first round loss in the NCAA tournament looks likely right now.

UteStar · 02-02-2009, 05:53 PM

Basketball has fallen for both schools when a game against each other doesn't even come close to a sell out. Under 13K for that game? Thats bad.

Archaea · 02-02-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UteStar

Basketball has fallen for both schools when a game against each other doesn't even come close to a sell out. Under 13K for that game? Thats bad.

Utah has become a football school, and I'm not certain what BYU has become. The school whose sponsor backed Prop 8?

01-28-2009, 03:15 PM	#1
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	How far bball has fallen I just read byu had a basketball game, and lost as is becoming par for this year's course, against the Utes of all teams. Man, we must really suck. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

02-02-2009, 05:53 PM	#9
UteStar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,817	Basketball has fallen for both schools when a game against each other doesn't even come close to a sell out. Under 13K for that game? Thats bad. __________________ UteStar's words to live by: "I'm not about play-play, I'm really about business." Goatnapper: "UteStar is the only one who is not scum."

01-28-2009, 03:26 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	First round loss in the NIT. Called it first.

01-28-2009, 03:35 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's hard to win small-ball when your center sucks, and the team as a whole is slow. Think about it. A small unathletic front line, backed by an unathletic backcourt. As much of a disappointment and headcase as Plaisted was, he was heads and shoulders better than his backups. We really miss Collinsworth as well, with his length and rebounding and defense. On a good team, Tavernari would be a 6th man. On a mediocre team he is the starting power forward, esp. when that mediocre team starts a terrible 5.

01-28-2009, 03:46 PM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Tavernari has been to the line extraordinarily rarely for a power forward. He is the definition of a slow finesse player. Hence he should be the offensive spark-plug off the bench. I've only watched one game this season, but one has to wonder where the leadership on this team is coming from. Cummard was expected to carry this team, but it seems that he just disappears on the floor, and one wonders if he does the same in the lockerroom. Oh well, don't really care. I'm more worried about my own game than sitting in front of the tube. I really don't even care to go to the TCU game.