Hillary for President

[BlueHair]

I think now would be a good time for the first female president. Bill was 10 times the president than the moron we have now. I assume Hillary had some influence over Bill when he was president. It seems reasonable that she would pattern her presidency after his. Bill's scandals were not even in the same ballpark as Bush's. What is so wrong with Hillary? The thing I hear most is that she is a lesbian. Big deal. I think it's going to take an extreme liberal like her to undo some of the damage George has done. So let's hear it. What are your gripes with Hillary?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I think now would be a good time for the first female president. Bill was 10 times the president than the moron we have now. I assume Hillary had some influence over Bill when he was president. It seems reasonable that she would pattern her presidency after his. Bill's scandals were not even in the same ballpark as Bush's. What is so wrong with Hillary? The thing I hear most is that she is a lesbian. Big deal. I think it's going to take an extreme liberal like her to undo some of the damage George has done. So let's hear it. What are your gripes with Hillary?

She is a socialist and using her Health Care debacle as an example, her policies would create economic ruin for this country.

You still have a job and probably some sort of savings with the current blockhead in the White House. Not so with Mrs. Clinton and politicians of her ilk.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

She is a socialist and using her Health Care debacle as an example, her policies would create economic ruin for this country.

You still have a job and probably some sort of savings with the current blockhead in the White House. Not so with Mrs. Clinton and politicians of her ilk.

I don't know about not having a job. I had one when Bill was president. He is going to be a good advisor to her. I consider myself a Libertarian, so I'm not really a fan of the Socialist Democrats or the Fascist Republicans. There is no doubt in my mind that Bush is a rabid Fascist. I'm just hoping that the Socialist will pull us back to the middle somewhere. It's amazing to me how numb the country is to the assault on our civil rights. I guess people are happy as long as gay people can't marry.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I don't know about not having a job. I had one when Bill was president. He is going to be a good advisor to her. I consider myself a Libertarian, so I'm not really a fan of the Socialist Democrats or the Fascist Republicans. There is no doubt in my mind that Bush is a rabid Fascist. I'm just hoping that the Socialist will pull us back to the middle somewhere. It's amazing to me how numb the country is to the assault on our civil rights. I guess people are happy as long as gay people can't marry.

A libertarian looking to socialists for salvation. Interesting.

From time to time I hear about Bush's assault on civil rights, so I'm curious about the details of how that is affecting the day to day lives of Americans. Has the place suddenly turned into a police state? Which rights has Bush the Fascist turned back? Are we talking about the NSA's practice of listening in on calls from suspect overseas phone numbers? Or is there something more sinister going on?

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

A libertarian looking to socialists for salvation. Interesting.

From time to time I hear about Bush's assault on civil rights, so I'm curious about the details of how that is affecting the day to day lives of Americans. Has the place suddenly turned into a police state? Which rights has Bush the Fascist turned back? Are we talking about the NSA's practice of listening in on calls from suspect overseas phone numbers? Or is there something more sinister going on?

I don't think he's suddenly turned us into a police state, it's taken six years. I also don't think that my day to day life has changed that much. I doubt that most non-Jewish German's lives would have changed much in the early Hitler years either. My biggest complaints are: The centralized police force he created (the Germans called it the Gestapo, we call it Homeland Security), his belief in torture, invading the wrong country, the Patriot Act, domestic spying, habeas corpus issues, declaring an open ended war on a non-specific enemy (the war on terror is too broad), and cronyism. I'm sure I forgot a few.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I don't think he's suddenly turned us into a police state, it's taken six years. I also don't think that my day to day life has changed that much. I doubt that most non-Jewish German's lives would have changed much in the early Hitler years either. My biggest complaints are: The centralized police force he created (the Germans called it the Gestapo, we call it Homeland Security), his belief in torture, invading the wrong country, the Patriot Act, domestic spying, habeas corpus issues, declaring an open ended war on a non-specific enemy (the war on terror is too broad), and cronyism. I'm sure I forgot a few.

Comparing Bush to Hitler and Homeland Security to the Gestapo, while it might feel good, is beyond the pale. So far, in fact, it weakens credibility. While you've provided some general complaints about Bush, I'm still seeking examples of how Americans are losing their civil rights.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Comparing Bush to Hitler and Homeland Security to the Gestapo, while it might feel good, is beyond the pale. So far, in fact, it weakens credibility. While you've provided some general complaints about Bush, I'm still seeking examples of how Americans are losing their civil rights.

True. Bush is no Hitler. Maybe a mini-Hitler, but certainly no Hitler. I stand by the Gestapo comment. A centralized police force is a very bad thing.

The civil rights I am talking about are mostly privacy issues. Please don't tell me you are one of those "If you're not doing anything wrong, what does it matter?" people. One example is the Patriot Act. The government can look at your library records, internet searches, banking records, travel, credit card transactions. If they "think" you are a terrorist, they may be able to listen in on your conversations with your lawyer. They can also hold you without charging you or letting you speak to a lawyer. Protesting rights have also been reduced. Domestic wiretapping is another issue that causes me great concern.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

They can also hold you without charging you or letting you speak to a lawyer. Protesting rights have also been reduced. Domestic wiretapping is another issue that causes me great concern.

1. Why do you think you can be held without access to a lawyer?

2. What protesting rights have been reduced?

3. When you say domestic wire tapping, are you talking about the tapping of calls where one of the parties to the call is a known terrorist or something else?

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

1. Why do you think you can be held without access to a lawyer?

2. What protesting rights have been reduced?

3. When you say domestic wire tapping, are you talking about the tapping of calls where one of the parties to the call is a known terrorist or something else?

They held Jose Padilla without a lawyer (the length of time is disputed), calling him an enemy combatant. He was held for three years without charges. Here is a link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/22/pa...ase/index.html

The protesting rights- I'm most concerned about being told when and where we can protest. Also, permits are required in some areas.

The wiretapping I am talking about is where one of the parties in not a known terrorist. The ones done without a judge's order. I don't think you can trust government agencies and law enforcement to decide when a wire tap is necessary.

I think the government needs to be on an extremely short leash on all privacy issues. In my opinion, the government rarely works in our best interest. It's sole purpose seems to be to grab more power and control.

[BlueHair]

How many of these apply to our current government?

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