Obama and abortion

[Lost Student]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I'm not rabidly anti-abortion. That is to say, I do not favor making it illegal. But on the moral side of it, I look at one of my children and ask myself how far do I need to go back in their development for it to be morally acceptable for me to kill them. I can't say there is a point where that seems okay to me, unless we are talking about a health of the mother issue. I don't make that judgment for others, which is why I don't favor any ban, but for me it is the shedding of innocent blood which is only okay if it is to save another (or during war).

I generally agree with your sentiment, but then if I really think about it, I have to ask myself, "how can I be okay with other people shedding innocent blood"?

Maybe I need to become more rabidly anti-abortion because when you get right down to it, is there anything more evil than snuffing out an innocent person's life? I know, I know, the argument is about whether a fetus is a "person".

Either way, thinking about the high number of abortions done makes me quite sad, especially when in the context of my own children, as you have already described.

[MikeWaters]

Abortion has been, arguably, self-inflicted genocide of the poor, especially African-Americans.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Lost Student

I generally agree with your sentiment, but then if I really think about it, I have to ask myself, "how can I be okay with other people shedding innocent blood"?

Maybe I need to become more rabidly anti-abortion because when you get right down to it, is there anything more evil than snuffing out an innocent person's life? I know, I know, the argument is about whether a fetus is a "person".

Either way, thinking about the high number of abortions done makes me quite sad, especially when in the context of my own children, as you have already described.

I believe abortion is murder. Some here will disagree stating that it is allowable murder, but intentionally ending an innocent unborn child's life is murder.

And yes, the fetus is a person. Fetus is just a way to help justify this horrendous deed.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I believe abortion is murder. Some here will disagree stating that it is allowable murder, but intentionally ending an innocent unborn child's life is murder.

And yes, the fetus is a person. Fetus is just a way to help justify this horrendous deed.

I take it then you believe abortion is not justified in cases of rape and incest.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I take it then you believe abortion is not justified in cases of rape and incest.

I can accept it in those cases or if the mother's life is in danger. But I believe that it should have to be proven that those are the reasons.

[Hsaru]

I can't imagine there ever being "proceedings" to see if a baby was caused by rape or not.

I was very anti-abortion growing up, I couldn't fathom the idea of it. But as I got older I realized at the very least that it was something that wasn't going away, so I've had to come to peace with it. I agree with the others who say that it should not be an easy or short process, with professional counseling and heavily mandated health standards.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I can accept it in those cases or if the mother's life is in danger. But I believe that it should have to be proven that those are the reasons.

I think if you think it is murder you ought not allow it in cases of rape and incest.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think if you think it is murder you ought not allow it in cases of rape and incest.

To be consistent, I agree. I can live with my inconsistency.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think if you think it is murder you ought not allow it in cases of rape and incest.

I would prefer rape & incest victims allow for the adoption of their children, but this decision should rightfully made by the individual, with the assistance of One who is wiser than any of us.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Spaz

I would prefer rape & incest victims allow for the adoption of their children, but this decision should rightfully made by the individual, with the assistance of One who is wiser than any of us.

Why the hell would you get Bronco "BSD" Mendenhall involved? Isn't he busy enough emasculating Ute fans by changing the words to Utah Man?