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fusnik11 · 06-19-2006, 03:16 PM

Did anyone watch the Dateline special on catching internet predators? They were setting up grown by posing as 13 year old boys and girls and inviting them to their house where no parents were at.

I was watcing it during the Heat/Mavs game and they caught over 100 men, in five different cities in 12 hours of work.

JohnnyLingo · 06-19-2006, 03:29 PM

I remember hearing that because the men didn't actually molest anyone, they had to be let go, and some were caught again a couple of days later in the same way.

Is that true?

fusnik11 · 06-19-2006, 03:35 PM

It seemed to me they were arresting these people and putting them into jail. They were charging them with a list of crimes, traveling with the intent to committ a felony, iliciting sex from a minor, etc.

The sickest example was one man who came to meet a 13 year old boy accompanied with his 4 year old son.

DrumNFeather · 06-19-2006, 03:54 PM

That was sick. I saw that special too. I couldn't believe how many (apparently) reputable people they were catching. One guy was a school teacher, another was a theology student, i think there was a former cop, a medic...some really sick guys...and yeah, most of them got jail time for intent.

JohnnyLingo · 06-19-2006, 04:24 PM

Okay, that's something that bugs me. Why is "stalking a minor on the internet and convincing her to meet you for sex" any better than "stalking a minor on the internet, convincing her to meet you for sex, and actually doing it"?

Maybe if the reason the guy didn't follow through was that his conscience kicked in at the last second or something, sure, I'm fine with him getting a lesser sentence. But in this case, the only thing that stopped them was the fact that they got busted!

It's like attempted murder. Why is trying to kill someone better than actually killing someone?

Some lawyer help me out here.

purplmonkeydishwashr · 06-19-2006, 05:17 PM

I have to say, my favorite part of those shows is when the pervert is walking out the door after the confrontation. You can almost see the look of relief on their face as they think they have gotten away with just a warning. Right up until they get tackled by the cops.

UtahDan · 06-19-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Okay, that's something that bugs me. Why is "stalking a minor on the internet and convincing her to meet you for sex" any better than "stalking a minor on the internet, convincing her to meet you for sex, and actually doing it"?

Maybe if the reason the guy didn't follow through was that his conscience kicked in at the last second or something, sure, I'm fine with him getting a lesser sentence. But in this case, the only thing that stopped them was the fact that they got busted!

It's like attempted murder. Why is trying to kill someone better than actually killing someone?

Some lawyer help me out here.

I guess the short answer is that intent is only part of the equation. Outcome matters as well. This is for the reason that there is a retributive aspect to punishment and the retribution is, at least in theory, in proportion to the wrong.

That said, in my perfect world the difference between the attempt and the completed crime should be the difference between 15 years and 25-life.

TyronneBiggums · 06-19-2006, 11:21 PM

I think we should just execute Ninja fag.

JohnnyLingo · 06-19-2006, 11:23 PM

Ah, Mr. Biggums... defender of pedophiles!

Welcome to the board! You will find friends here, though maybe not any as brave as you in announcing their "tastes".

TyronneBiggums · 06-19-2006, 11:26 PM

You're more of a pedaphile than I am you stupid stupid bitch.

06-19-2006, 03:54 PM	#14
DrumNFeather Active LDS Ute Fan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nantucket : ) Posts: 2,566	That was sick. I saw that special too. I couldn't believe how many (apparently) reputable people they were catching. One guy was a school teacher, another was a theology student, i think there was a former cop, a medic...some really sick guys...and yeah, most of them got jail time for intent. __________________ "It's not like we played the school of the blind out there." - Brian Johnson.

06-19-2006, 03:16 PM	#11
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	Did anyone watch the Dateline special on catching internet predators? They were setting up grown by posing as 13 year old boys and girls and inviting them to their house where no parents were at. I was watcing it during the Heat/Mavs game and they caught over 100 men, in five different cities in 12 hours of work.

06-19-2006, 03:29 PM	#12
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	I remember hearing that because the men didn't actually molest anyone, they had to be let go, and some were caught again a couple of days later in the same way. Is that true?

06-19-2006, 03:35 PM	#13
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	It seemed to me they were arresting these people and putting them into jail. They were charging them with a list of crimes, traveling with the intent to committ a felony, iliciting sex from a minor, etc. The sickest example was one man who came to meet a 13 year old boy accompanied with his 4 year old son.

06-19-2006, 04:24 PM	#15
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Okay, that's something that bugs me. Why is "stalking a minor on the internet and convincing her to meet you for sex" any better than "stalking a minor on the internet, convincing her to meet you for sex, and actually doing it"? Maybe if the reason the guy didn't follow through was that his conscience kicked in at the last second or something, sure, I'm fine with him getting a lesser sentence. But in this case, the only thing that stopped them was the fact that they got busted! It's like attempted murder. Why is trying to kill someone better than actually killing someone? Some lawyer help me out here.

06-19-2006, 05:17 PM	#16
purplmonkeydishwashr Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roy, UT Posts: 34	I have to say, my favorite part of those shows is when the pervert is walking out the door after the confrontation. You can almost see the look of relief on their face as they think they have gotten away with just a warning. Right up until they get tackled by the cops.

06-19-2006, 11:21 PM	#18
TyronneBiggums Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 143	I think we should just execute Ninja fag.

06-19-2006, 11:23 PM	#19
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Ah, Mr. Biggums... defender of pedophiles! Welcome to the board! You will find friends here, though maybe not any as brave as you in announcing their "tastes".

06-19-2006, 11:26 PM	#20
TyronneBiggums Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 143	You're more of a pedaphile than I am you stupid stupid bitch.