Civil War Prophecy

[All-American]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Nice.

200,000 or so blacks fought for the Union during the Civil War. It was also interesting to learn the extent to which slaves pushed the emancipation issue. They forced Union armies to respond with policies by rushing to their camps. Union attitude slowly evolved from refusing to return them, to confiscating slaves used in the war effort, to confiscating slaves whose owners supported the war effort, to emancipation en masse; none of that would have happened if it were not for slaves leaving their masters behind in substantial numbers.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Where's the original document? How do we know this wasn't dressed up or fabricated like what those monks sometimes did with the ancient writings? I'm betting there's no original.

Seattle, I thought you were going to come up with a more sophisticated, logical, historically based argument why this propechy isn't a big deal but I guess American history is not your strength.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think the fact that the avg. Mormon member might not be able to tell you about this prophecy tells you about its value and relevance in the church.

All that tells you is that the average member isn't reading their scriptures, I guess. It's not like you need to dig to find this prophecy.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BlueK

All that tells you is that the average member isn't reading their scriptures, I guess. It's not like you need to dig to find this prophecy.

It's just balancing out the Trivial Pursuit scales:

Joseph Smith's Polygamy on one side, Civil War Prophecies on the other.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It's just balancing out the Trivial Pursuit scales:

Joseph Smith's Polygamy on one side, Civil War Prophecies on the other.

That's easy. JS polygamy wins by a landslide.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think the fact that the avg. Mormon member might not be able to tell you about this prophecy tells you about its value and relevance in the church.

Given the threefold mission of The Church, I think you are correct. Little value in that regard.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

That's easy. JS polygamy wins by a landslide.

Given the threefold mission of the church...

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Given the threefold mission of the church...

Question for you, Indy. You keep insisting that historical evidence of JS not only engaging in polygamy, but polyandry, child-brides, etc. is "trivial" and not worthy of discussion by the church or official LDS historians. I understand your logic, but I am curious if there is anything that would give you pause or that you would consider "non-trivial".

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Question for you, Indy. You keep insisting that historical evidence of JS not only engaging in polygamy, but polyandry, child-brides, etc. is "trivial" and not worthy of discussion by the church or official LDS historians. I understand your logic, but I am curious if there is anything that would give you pause or that you would consider "non-trivial".

Given the repeated spiritual witnesses I've had over many years, probably not.

I didn't say they weren't worthy of discussion, they just aren't worthy of being part of some standard church curriculum. IMO, one of the reasons (I didn't say the only reason) the church doesn't really go into detail about Joseph Smith's multiple relationships is simply because the details just aren't that good or reliable. There's too many "fill in the blanks" that aren't resolved and can unnecessarily be taken the worst way possible.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

IMO, one of the reasons (I didn't say the only reason) the church doesn't really go into detail about Joseph Smith's multiple relationships is simply because the details just aren't that good or reliable. There's too many "fill in the blanks" that aren't resolved and can unnecessarily be taken the worst way possible.

You are just kidding yourself here. There is a wealth of information written about the relationships by faithful members of the church, most significantly by the multiple wives themselves. One of which was my ancestor (Caroline Partridge). She and others gave plenty of detail.