How old were you when you first learned JS practiced polyandry?

[bluegoose]

Since we're talking about harrowing mission experiences, try riding a crowded subway during summer in Toronto, which is a very hot and humid place for a couple of months. Standing room only, European lady right in front of you, reaching for the overhead grab bar, the movement of the subway causing you to sway dangerously close to her underarm.

Traumatic.

[pittsburghcoug]

You will not find a more spiritual or more devout member of the Church, unless it is President Hinckley. The one thing I can emphatically state about Brother Bushman is his sense of honor and honesty. If he wrote it in his book, it means that he did enough research to believe it to be true. His aim was not to destroy testimony by writing "Rough Stone Rolling" but to write an honest biography of Joseph Smith from a believer's perspective. The outcome is spectacular.

Tex, tread carefully in areas in which you do not have a lot of experience or knowledge. Did you know that Brother Bushman is the patriarch of the New York City stake and a former stake president? He is a very honorable man. If you have problems with what he has written, then I feel sorry for you. The facts are clear to me...Joseph did practice polyandry, and I personally think he went too far with the revelation. Does that diminish my testimony of him? No, it is easy to throw jabs from our 20/20 perspective.

Originally Posted by Archaea

Richard Bushman, a member in good standing, and former Columbia professor, did everything he could to dilute it, but he was unable to deny the evidence. You attack him for sensationalizing, when it was just the opposite. He made it sound as boring as possible.

Good ole knee jerk reactions to works never perused by the Mex. By the way, I believe Mohammed's Sword of Islam needs a few more mullahs to behead infidels, you might wish to apply.

[pittsburghcoug]

The Church was very cooperative during the research and publication processes for Brother Bushman's book. That in and of itself is a remarkable breakthrough. He had total access to Church documents and resources. His book is also sold in Deseret Book. Perhaps, if scholars like Quinn and others who have been excommunicated would have operated under this paradigm, they would still be members in good standing. President Hinckley has changed the culture of the Church in more ways than we know.

Originally Posted by pittsburghcoug

You will not find a more spiritual or more devout member of the Church, unless it is President Hinckley. The one thing I can emphatically state about Brother Bushman is his sense of honor and honesty. If he wrote it in his book, it means that he did enough research to believe it to be true. His aim was not to destroy testimony by writing "Rough Stone Rolling" but to write an honest biography of Joseph Smith from a believer's perspective. The outcome is spectacular.

Tex, tread carefully in areas in which you do not have a lot of experience or knowledge. Did you know that Brother Bushman is the patriarch of the New York City stake and a former stake president? He is a very honorable man. If you have problems with what he has written, then I feel sorry for you. The facts are clear to me...Joseph did practice polyandry, and I personally think he went too far with the revelation. Does that diminish my testimony of him? No, it is easy to throw jabs from our 20/20 perspective.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by pittsburghcoug

You will not find a more spiritual or more devout member of the Church, unless it is President Hinckley. The one thing I can emphatically state about Brother Bushman is his sense of honor and honesty. If he wrote it in his book, it means that he did enough research to believe it to be true. His aim was not to destroy testimony by writing "Rough Stone Rolling" but to write an honest biography of Joseph Smith from a believer's perspective. The outcome is spectacular.

Tex, tread carefully in areas in which you do not have a lot of experience or knowledge. Did you know that Brother Bushman is the patriarch of the New York City stake and a former stake president? He is a very honorable man. If you have problems with what he has written, then I feel sorry for you. The facts are clear to me...Joseph did practice polyandry, and I personally think he went too far with the revelation. Does that diminish my testimony of him? No, it is easy to throw jabs from our 20/20 perspective.

I'll make you a deal: I'll tread carefully if you'll read carefully.

I wasn't criticizing Bushman. I was criticizing a subset of the sycophantic Mormon intelligensia.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Adam

Quinn and others opened up the door to talking about the tough issues, making Bushman's bio both possible and necessary.

If Bushman had been the first to write about Joseph sealing other men's wives, he would have been the first to have been excommunicated.

are you suggesting that Quinn was excommed for his writings? on what basis?

[RC Vikings]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Joseph Smth was incarcerated, tarred and feathered, beaten and murdered. (In fact, some speculate that the reason he was hated by at least some groups was his marriage to young girls and the wives of other men). His life is replete with repercussions.

I don't believe immediate consequences always follow every sin, even serious ones. God had so much invested in Joseph by that time, letting him fall may not have been allowable.

Was the kingship removed from David?

I heard that the men who killed him were actually masons that were upset that Joseph had married one of their wives and had taken from their ceremony.