This talk won't go over well with some...

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Did she not site woman of consequence from the Bible? Is she not a general leader of this church, empowered to teach and edify at General Conference?

Are you suggesting she has no authority? That her words have no place?

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I don't blame you for feeling that way, but I think it's sad and it's wrong.

It's not so much a male vs female thing. I feel like my most important work of my life is as a father and as a husband.

I understand not all will have ideal lives and that makes life confusing and enters in sorrow and trials for many. But unempathetic as it might sound, I believe no one escapes those sorrow and trials in this life, and the fact that it creates sorrow and trials for some to talk of the ideal life for God's children is not a reason to avoid talking about it.

I try to be sympathetic to those that feel judged, but the quote attributed to Nelson Mandela comees to my mind in this case.

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

It doesn't do anyone any good to avoid talking about how to live the best we can and to strive for that because we're worried it might hurt someone else's feelings. That doesn't take away how hurtful it might be for you, though, and I trust God to bless you as you endure those trials.

Adam talks about how the church needs to ask for more sacrifice from its members. MW talks about how we need to differentiate ourselves from other Christian churches. This subject, to me, is the primary way we can do it. Men, give up the worldly way of chasing women, seeking fame and fortune, and dedicate yourselves to your wife and children. Women, same thing. It's a difficult thing, but it's a beautiful message and ideal life to try to attain.

Very powerful words -well said.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Did she not cite woman of consequence from the Bible? Is she not a general leader of this church, empowered to teach and edify at General Conference?

furthermore I believe she also quoted a prophet of God.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Are you suggesting she has no authority? That her words have no place?

I'd suggest that she only has authority over women.

That's why I was watching the Chiefs instead.

I'll start listening to female church leaders when they are granted general authority instead of authority over a single gender.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

I'd suggest that she only has authority over women.

That's why I was watching the Chiefs instead.

I'll start listening to female church leaders when they give them general authority instead of authority over a single gender.

I listened intently, for I consider her an authority over all of the members of this church born to a Mother ... and that would be all members

[Sassy in RS]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Are you suggesting she has no authority? That her words have no place?

Keep your sneering to yourself.

[FarrahWaters]

What if all the men in the church were told that the noblest calling they could have would be as a construction worker? It's useful to society, you can stay physically fit, and you'd make very little pay, but it would be an honest living.

I object that the job of homemaker should be held up as the dream job for every woman. Do I look down upon women who like being homemakers (and are good at it). Of course not. But why should it be for everyone?

I am grateful to be a mother, and I know how important that job is. But one day, the kids will be in school and I don't think I will be happy as a homemaker.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by tooblue

I listened intently, for I consider her an authority over all of the members of this church born to a Mother ... and that would be all members

She doesn't have authority over all members of the Church. She is just being patronized by being granted the opportunity to speak on homemaking.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Very powerful words -well said.

At least you bring some hilarity to my day. Married mormon men tell single mormon woman to "stop chasing men, get married and all will be well in Zion"? Are your lives really this black and white? You just reinforce the fact that GC is all about the mainstream. Was Christ this exclusive?

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Sassy in RS

Keep your sneering to yourself.

You sneered but intimating that she did not quote scripture, perhaps to undermine the validity of her words. Don't attempt to turn it on me. Answer my sincere question.