Recording of an excommunication

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Yes, this didn't strike me as very spiritual, nor very loving. Merely courteous and formal, and frankly lacking any depth on a spirtual or intellectual level.

Lyndon wanted this to happen, and that was probably known by all parties from the outset, so this particular disciplinary council was really a formality and that's evident from the recordings.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

That's when the cracks really began to show: his bizarre rant against spiritual witnesses and his pathetic attempt to provide an alternative description.

I didn't think that rant was bizarre, he sounded exactly like my agnostic friends who love to tell me why a spiritual witness is worthless in a search for truth. His alternative description was indeed poor, but seemed to me to be evidence of his no longer finding any value in such a witness. I can't tell if he's moving on toward agnosticism or evangelicism as adherents of either find our spiritual witnesses to be of little worth.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Has the church ever officially denied JS's polyandry? I know they like to avoid the topic, but have they ever claimed it didn't happen?

Yes. In fact a prophet denied it. Joseph Smith.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Lyndon wanted this to happen, and that was probably known by all parties from the outset, so this particular disciplinary council was really a formality and that's evident from the recordings.

Probably true.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

He was exed at Nickelback and everyone in the room knew it.

That was all I needed to hear. They could have brought him in just for that and I'd have voted to ex him.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Lyndon wanted this to happen, and that was probably known by all parties from the outset, so this particular disciplinary council was really a formality and that's evident from the recordings.

I have to agree here. In fact I have to wonder if he didn't initiate the council himself. With the info we have, which obviously isn't everything, I don't know how he would have gotten there otherwise.

[scottie]

In the 3rd clip he mentions he knows he wouldn't be able to keep from speaking up in church, and that it's a question of can they welcome him as a brother, or get a court order to keep him from going to church. Could the Church get such a court order?

[UtahDan]

I didn't detect a problem with anything I heard there. I didn't hear the SP attacking. I thought they were conversing as much as anything, and the SP actually gave him a lot of leeway to say he peace, which was apparently appreciated.

I don't see why this guy felt the need to get himself exed. My guess is that the church is full of people who think exactly as he does but aren't so proud as to presume to stand on a soap box and bash everyone with it. I thought the SP made a good point when he requested that this man show the same respect as if he had walked into the service of another faith.

I get reflexively irritated by the accusation that someone was looking for the door or an excuse to sin when someone shares unorthodox or apostate beliefs. That said, this guy was looking for the door. I would have had much more respect for him had he resigned his membership. Instead, he placed his leaders in a position that he knew was untenable. You can't show up at church every week and tell people the BOM is not true. It just isn't appropriate. If those are your convictions, fine. Take them and leave us in peace.

[MikeWaters]

Can you really ask to be excommunicated? I know you can ask to no longer be a member.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

Nickelback did him in. He was exed at Nickelback and everyone in the room knew it.

That made me LOL.