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MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 07:26 PM

Darron Smith is one of the movers and shakers on the issue of blacks and the church, and he is the one that lit my fire on this issue. He showed me the way.

http://www.kuer.org/#radiowest%20schedule

I sent him the link from Lesson 31, Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3, about miscegenation. He did not know about it, and wasn't pleased with it. Nor am I. I wonder if he will mention it in the broadcast.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 07:30 PM

To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal.

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal.

So Bob Jones University former prohibition on mixed race dating was not anti-miscegenation?

(I'm wonder how far you will bend backwards to accommodate your view that it isn't racist).

UtahDan · 06-09-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal.

It doesn't have either of those connotations. It simply means against the marriage of people who are not of the same race. I agree it was not illegal.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So Bob Jones University former prohibition on mixed race dating was not anti-miscegenation?

(I'm wonder how far you will bend backwards to accommodate your view that it isn't racist).

WHAT? We're talking about a quote by President Kimball in the preisthood manual. That has NOTHING to do with Bob Jones.

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

WHAT? We're talking about a quote by President Kimball in the preisthood manual. That has NOTHING to do with Bob Jones.

Ah, that's the thing. You don't see the connection between Bob Jones U.'s policy and the recommendation put forward by the church in the priesthood manual.

When there comes to be heat over this, the church will take it out. And that's what I am working towards.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So Bob Jones University former prohibition on mixed race dating was not anti-miscegenation?

(I'm wonder how far you will bend backwards to accommodate your view that it isn't racist).

For you to isolate the racial component of what President Kimball said robs his comment of its true context. Why did he list those items? Because they were all "risk factors" in marriage that led to higher rates of divorce.

The MSNBC article you cited earlier documented that very fact.

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 07:40 PM

I don't know if it is higher or not. I haven't read the study, and I've read elsewhere that the studies in this area are poor.

It's a self-fulfilling prophesy: because of racial differences you will fail. Problem is I don't buy the premise, and what I see is a lot of prejudice directed towards these kinds of couples making it that much tougher.

When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.

When can the little boy stop crying "Wolf!"?

Archaea · 06-09-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I don't know if it is higher or not. I haven't read the study, and I've read elsewhere that the studies in this area are poor.

It's a self-fulfilling prophesy: because of racial differences you will fail. Problem is I don't buy the premise, and what I see is a lot of prejudice directed towards these kinds of couples making it that much tougher.

When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.

I don't buy race bearing on success in marriage, but I do imagine cultural differences can impact success within a marriage.

06-09-2008, 07:26 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Darron Smith to be on RadioWest on Wed. 11am and 7pm MST Darron Smith is one of the movers and shakers on the issue of blacks and the church, and he is the one that lit my fire on this issue. He showed me the way. http://www.kuer.org/#radiowest%20schedule I sent him the link from Lesson 31, Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3, about miscegenation. He did not know about it, and wasn't pleased with it. Nor am I. I wonder if he will mention it in the broadcast.

06-09-2008, 07:30 PM	#2
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal. Last edited by Indy Coug; 06-09-2008 at 07:33 PM.

06-09-2008, 07:40 PM	#8
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't know if it is higher or not. I haven't read the study, and I've read elsewhere that the studies in this area are poor. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy: because of racial differences you will fail. Problem is I don't buy the premise, and what I see is a lot of prejudice directed towards these kinds of couples making it that much tougher. When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.