1970s Church Pamphlet on Homosexuality

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Is an urge a sin? I still have an urge to pound people who are idiots. That urge has never gone away.

I suggest, if you haven't read it yet, to read the Sermon on the Mount.

Then report back with your own answer.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

????

How many teenage Mormon boys with SSA are praying to God to remove this from them. Yet God will fail them and not remove it.

Please explain this.

Whenever God doesn't do what we want him to do, he's failing us?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Please explain this.

Whenever God doesn't do what we want him to do, he's failing us?

To the person with a righteous desire to be married in the temple, yes, I think it fails like God failing them.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I suggest, if you haven't read it yet, to read the Sermon on the Mount.

Then report back with your own answer.

No, an urge isn't a sin, even though the warning about committing adultery in our hearts is valuable counsel that if our thoughts are left unchecked we tend to act on them more than if we recognize them and try to combat them.

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

To the person with a righteous desire to be married in the temple, yes, I think it fails like God failing them.

There are many people with physical or mental disabliites that prevent them from attaining this? Is God failing them too?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

There are many people with physical or mental disabliites that prevent them from attaining this? Is God failing them too?

Only if they also happen to be gay.

[MikeWaters]

Indy and FM, thank you for making my point that it is usually an unalterable condition, unable to be moved by scripture, prayer or counsel.

Again, contradicting the pamphlet.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

To the person with a righteous desire to be married in the temple, yes, I think it fails like God failing them.

That's a pretty selfish view of God. God's not there to do what we want him to do.

Did God fail Paul with his thorn?

his strength is made perfect in weakness...

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Cerebral Palsy is not a sin.

Some argue SSA is a sin.

Shouldn't God be able to take away sins?

Tex, what you are in fact arguing is that SSA is a lot like Cerebral Palsy, it is (most often) an involuntary condition not easily removed. Which goes entirely counter to the pamphlet. The pamphlet says God can take it away in a majority of cases.

I don't think anyone believes that now.

I'm drawing no such analogy. I'm simply saying everyone has trials and temptations and weakness that belong to this mortal existence. We could come up with a dozen examples, no one of which will be perfectly analogous.

The point is, God's love is not defined by how willing he is to remove things from us that clearly are a part of being mortal.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Indy and FM, thank you for making my point that it is usually an unalterable condition, unable to be moved by scripture, prayer or counsel.

Again, contradicting the pamphlet.

You sagging pile of shit, what did I say in the my very first post in this thread?

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...92&postcount=4

I also pointed out that some of the church's viewpoints were no different than the leading psychological reference guide at the time. Shame on them for relying on the wisdom and learning of men. Maybe that should be a painful lesson to us all that rely too much on the arm of flesh.