Monson: Gay Marriage Fight in CA 'Is Our Gettysburg'

[MikeWaters]

I wonder if the Prop loses in CA, will the church start to turn its eye to building literal Zion in Jackson County?

That might be an upside to this.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Except for:

1. the church supported the South (and by extension, slavery)
2. the church is fighting against the oppressed minority (as some would say) as well

But otherwise your comparison is quite apt.

So what happens when the Union loses at Gettysburg? That's where the metaphor fails I think. Are they saying that the Union then loses? I wonder what other battlefield metaphors will be used? "This is their Auschwitz". That's probably one that is not going to be used.

The next metaphor will probably be The Alamo. BTW, could you provide substantiation for the church's "support" of the South in the Civil War?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I wonder if the Prop loses in CA, will the church start to turn its eye to building literal Zion in Jackson County?

That might be an upside to this.

I'd at least consider moving away from coastlines.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I wonder what other battlefield metaphors will be used? "This is their Auschwitz". That's probably one that is not going to be used.

Well, we know Monson is a racist and an anti-Semite, right?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Well, we know Monson is a racist and an anti-Semite, right?

Don't forget a homophobic bigot and notorious hothead.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The next metaphor will probably be The Alamo. BTW, could you provide substantiation for the church's "support" of the South in the Civil War?

Adam or SEIQ are better versed than me and know of (and remember) sources.

Basically the root of LDS support for the South was their resentment of the federal govt. and the perceived oppression at their hands.

I believe it was mostly "the enemy of our enemy is our friend" and not so much a complete consonance of philosophy with the South.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I believe it was mostly "the enemy of our enemy is our friend" and not so much a complete consonance of philosophy with the South.

Well since you've now provided the reason why your Civil War analogy isn't a good one, why don't you stop using it now?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Well since you've now provided the reason why your Civil War analogy isn't a good one, why don't you stop using it now?

Well we disagree.

I think throwing out "Gettysburg" given the church's history is quite ironic.

[creekster]

My sense of it, and this is entirely non-scientific, is that the pro-prop 8 forces do nto have a great will to fight this battle and feel like it has been lost. I think the vote will be closer than the polls suggest, but I do tend to think it will lose.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by creekster

My sense of it, and this is entirely non-scientific, is that the pro-prop 8 forces do nto have a great will to fight this battle and feel like it has been lost. I think the vote will be closer than the polls suggest, but I do tend to think it will lose.

this is a surprise to me as based on the last referendum and all the statements I had heard here, I though the pro- forces were favored.