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Old 01-19-2007, 06:53 PM   #21
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Without overcomplication, your statement reveals much more about you than it does about Boyd K. Packer and Mormons in general.
It shows he thinks Mozart and Beethoven are different?
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:54 PM   #22
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SU is acutely sensitive about his upbringing. He's afraid of being exposed as the Utah farmer stock he really is.

Hence the draconian stances: absolutely no music but classical, no TV except for parents at sports bar, etc.

Of course, sometimes his roots come through, like his love of Spielberg movies.
LOL. The shrink's diagnosis. How much do I owe you?


FWIW, I take my kids to sports bars.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:55 PM   #23
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He strikes me as more concerned with being happy and at peace with himself and his relationship with God as opposed to vexed by the mysteries of the universe.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:58 PM   #24
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It shows he thinks Mozart and Beethoven are different?
They're not that much different. On the Baby Mozart and Baby Beethoven DVD's that my nephews watch, they use the same sock puppet and pinwheels on both.
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LOL. The shrink's diagnosis. How much do I owe you?


FWIW, I take my kids to sports bars.
Do you order Cabernet or a fine Zin for the kids?
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BTW, my ancestors actually were sheep ranchers and merchants.

My grandad after whom I'm named was a Jack Mormon. He led the fight against the Sunday closing law in Salt Lake, and he sold an ocean of beer from his little markets and bars, which financed his sons' law school educations. His father converted to Mormonism in his native the Hague, Netherlands, but fell way, and most of my grand dad's siblings returned to the Dutch Reform church. My grandfather was not sophisticated in cultural matters. He once said to me, "The reason Marie Calendars does so well is that G--d d--mn kwitchee [how he pronouced quiche] they sell up there."
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Old 01-19-2007, 07:11 PM   #27
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BTW, my ancestors actually were sheep ranchers and merchants.

My grandad after whom I'm named was a Jack Mormon. He led the fight against the Sunday closing law in Salt Lake, and he sold an ocean of beer from his little markets and bars, which financed his sons' law school educations. His father converted to Mormonism in his native the Hague, Netherlands, but fell way, and most of my grand dad's siblings returned to the Dutch Reform church. My grandfather was not sophisticated in culteral matters. He once said to me, "The reason Marie Calendars does so well is that G--d d--mn kwitchee [how he pronouced quiche] they sell up there."
Geneology.... The more you try to leave we pull you back in!
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Old 01-19-2007, 07:18 PM   #28
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My grandfather was not sophisticated in culteral matters. He once said to me, "The reason Marie Calendars does so well is that G--d d--mn kwitchee [how he pronouced quiche] they sell up there."
Funny, I would of thought it was the cornbread.
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Thanks, Rocky, we can always count on you to squelch any honest discussion. Thanks for stating the obvious.

You're right, everybody is perfect and we should just kill ourselves. Thanks for Jim Jones fundamentalism.
You know I'm right and that galls you even more. Sorry the truth, simple as it is, is something that an "intellectual" like you is not capable of understanding.
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You know I'm right and that galls you even more. Sorry the truth, simple as it is, is something that an "intellectual" like you is not capable of understanding.
No, truth is more complex than ever you will imagine. It is also sublime.

It is okay if you wish to have your whitewashed version of the truth, but don't think your truth is the singular and soletary truth.
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