Topics you never hear at Church

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by hyrum

As printed alongside your avatar I'm inclined to buy into that!!

Kristina is a looker, I can agree with that; however, when I realize that she's not much older than my daughter, I'm reminded that Kristina is just a young kid.

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

As a man who has exactly zero interest in pornography, and who finds it not at all tempting or interesting, I find the frequency with which the subject is addressed rather tedious. I must be in the minority on this.

Is your "in the minorty" sentence referring to the fact that you aren't interested in pictures of naked women or referring to the fact that you find the frequency of admonishment tedious? If the former, I would certainly agree that you are in the minority. If the latter, I think you are in the majority.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

Is your "in the minorty" sentence referring to the fact that you aren't interested in pictures of naked women or referring to the fact that you find the frequency of admonishment tedious? If the former, I would certainly agree that you are in the minority. If the latter, I think you are in the majority.

I kinda tend to agree with SEIQ's assessment of the situation. If I want to see naked women, I'd prefer to see her live and in front, to the side or in other situations proximate to me.

A picture in a screen obviously elicits some prurient interests, but knowing that's all you will ever get from that two dimensional object kinda causes it to run out of steam.

Now, as I'm sure most others would also confess, I don't frequent strip joints and the like but I can imagine how that might become more addictive. I'm aware of a number of young professionals who like to spend some extra dough at those places, but it's really fun to schedule depositions first thing in the morning, especially Monday morning for those types.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

This is a very harsh way of expressing things, but there is some truth to the idea that there is a lesser expection for women. For example, since a man holds the priesthood he is more accountable that a woman for the same sin. I don't really think the source is necessarily doctrinal. I think it is cultural.

I mean this in no sort of critical way, but I believe that because of the age of church leadership that cultural progress in the church lags cultural progress in US society (where all of the leadership is from) by 15-20 years.

I have to believe that a man who is at least exposed to feminist ideas in college (are you at BYU? I would think not.) and who lives his whole adult life with a woman who is the product of feminism (most of the women the guys around here are married to fit this discription) will have a radically different take on the role of women and what is to be expected of them than GBH whose formative years were the 1920's and 30's. The women of that era were raised to submissive. The woman of today is not. Will the first prophet born after 1960 have much in common in his cultural thought process about woman as GBH? I would think only a little.

This is in a nutshell the explanation for one pair of earringsgate.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

Is your "in the minorty" sentence referring to the fact that you aren't interested in pictures of naked women or referring to the fact that you find the frequency of admonishment tedious? If the former, I would certainly agree that you are in the minority. If the latter, I think you are in the majority.

Good question.

The former.

[Indy Coug]

Unfortunately, pornography is probably THE most troubling spiritual issue in the church today. As a result the church really needs to address this again and again.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jacob/2

[DrumNFeather]

I think that part of the problem or at least an aspect to consider is the confession aspect of it...and what I mean by that is (and this is just an opinion) regardless of how embarassing it might be, men confess to a man and because of that (although a bishop, stake pres etc... might not agree with the behavior) there is at least a little bit more of an understanding of the behavior from the leader.

This doesn't change the level of dissappointment or the fact that these leaders can really take a person to task who confesses a problem with pornography. To be frank, men (as leaders) can be a lot more candid with the males that come in to confess their sins than they can be with women...men can take that kind of guilt ridden beating...I don't think women can.

Whenever I've heard mention of women having similar problems, it is merely an after thought, usually presented by a female counselor from LDS social services more as information than listed as a problem. The times i've heard it, it has been said like this..."Many families are torn apart by the evils of pornography. Men who are otherwise responsible in their community and active in the church are tearing their family apart with this problem...and it's not just men, though a higher percentage are men...women share in the problem and responsibility as well."

At an adult session of stake conference last year, we had a counselor from LDS family services speak on the evils of pornography and that is about how it came out. She also, from the pulpit, told bishops that they were not being as sensitive to the needs of the sisters in the stake in regard to their husbands pornography addictions. It was very informative, but more of a lecture and some how tied in with a testimony...and again, any blame the women received was mentioned as an after thought.

I would be willing to bet (with no evidence at all to back this up) that women are more likely to confess pornography problems first to an LDS Social Services counselor before confessing to a bishop.

...just my thoughts.

[marsupial]

Perhaps I am naive, but I think the nature of a woman's sex drive (we're less visual) makes her less inclined to view pornography. I am sure there are plenty of female porn addicts out there, but I am guessing that statistically men outnumber us with that sin. Those women who do are likely viewing it with their husband/boyfriend/partner.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Unfortunately, pornography is probably THE most troubling spiritual issue in the church today. As a result the church really needs to address this again and again.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jacob/2

That's just plain silly. Pornography is just the boogey-man of the moment in the Church, just like masturbation was the boogey-man when we were all missionaries. Church leaders should be more concerned with the way materialism has infected the Church or with the way that right-wing conservatism has poisoned their congregations. If I had to choose whether my son viewed pornography or whether he became like Johnny Lingo, I'd choose pornography every time.

[Archaea]

Why does their need to be a ranking?

All of these issues are serious enough that they will be repeatedly addressed.