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I see the point that you and waters are trying to make, I'm just not sure the administration much cares if its students think that the honor code is too strict and would like to see it changed. Further, I think that BYU admin and some alum, Read: John Haddow (among others), do indeed think that it is a privelage to attend BYU and as such, are confident that the line is long enough to get in that a few dissatisfied customers walking away areirrelevant.
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I don't think either of us is saying you can't or shouldn't try to responsibly voice your opinion about how to improve the HC. Last edited by Indy Coug; 04-18-2007 at 02:48 PM. |
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I would favor abolition of the HCO, as it is the primary source of my complaint, not the concept of an honor code. Most institutions of higher learning have an honor code, but I imagine few have an HCO.
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I say leave it up to the Bishops of those wards. Then again, for those who aren't LDS, then how is the subject approached?
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The Honor Code as adopted was not adopted out of some nobel purpose, but in response to the GIs returning home from WWII, and hanging out at BYU. It was also tightened by Ernie "McCarthy" Wilkerson so that he could spy on Commies and to stop any students from protesting the Vietnam War. These things were not done out of nobel intentions, but rather out of political extremism on the part of administration. To be certain, the Board of Trustees had to approve, but Ernie could get them to do what they wanted. Now, it's ingrained within the culture, and we have accepted it as part of our culture. It is NOT something arising out of the Gospel. Its enforcement is the antithesis of Gospel principles.
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The idea of "policing" the honor code is pretty unique to BYU. Virginia, for example, has an honor code, but the students are expected to be self-enforcers. You can say, "that is dumb- then people will just cheat and break the rules," but really all you are saying is that BYU trusts its students less than Virginia does to do what they are supposed to do.
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If you don't support BYU's policies, don't send them extra money.
This is what the vast majority of BYU grads do. But probably not for that reason. It's really not an honor code. It's just a code. Let's stop using the word "honor" because it's misleading. |
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