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First, I've made no value judgment for myself re Jews v. Mormons. I criticized those who jumped to the conclusion that poll numbers indicating the populace has a more favorable opinion of Jews than Mormons must have been motivated by anti-Mormon bigotry and fear of being called anti-Semites. The poll question is a fair one. It's the kind of poll the Mormon church might want to run in order to reflect on how it might make itself more saleable. I simply pointed out some facts to demonstrate that people can have a rational basis for being more favorably impressed with Jews than Mormons. It isn't necessarily because of Jewish public relations, as especially Waters suggested. But I didn't make an argument that Jews are more estimable than Mormons. By the way, criticizing a religion doesn't autmatically mean you're "anti-" or "bigoted against" that religion. Second, I most empatically did NOT express the view that Jews control the media. I was restating some statements made here that seem to echo accusations made against Jews through the ages that do suggest bigotry. My point was that is what some people here seem to think. Jews obviously have some influence over the media. They don't control it and my overriding point is that favorable popular perceptions of Jews are not necessarily not on the merits.
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And again, when I mentioned Jews, Mormons and Muslims, I was talking about religious groups and I think you know that but didn't want to acknowledge it. And the fact of that matter, is that it's not ok to attack Jews as a religion, but it is ok to attack Mormons and Muslims. I think you know that as well and apparently agree.
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Now I see the source of Cali Coug's confusion. Waters' mangling of my post in his signature. Very funny. Cali Coug, when you say you read a book do you mean the snippets on the back of the book?
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Moreover, CaliCoug, I haven't talked about persecution in this thread except briefly in reply to Waters' sniffling about anti-Mormonism and perceived double standards.
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Are we debating for the purposes of debating, or does anybody really disagree with SU?
There are legitimate reasons why outsiders might view Mormons differently than Jews, given the length of cultural awareness of Jews as opposed to Mormons. The reasons don't appear to be tied to patent anti-Mormon bigotry, by which I mean, intentionally dislike simply by virtue of association with the culture and religion regardless of personal merits. It seems simplistic to attribute all negative perceptions of our people and its culture to a real hard and fast bigotry. Some of it is a lack of awareness, a lack of familiarity and in some part a lack of power by Mormons. Mormons unlike other groups have not traditionally used their political power to advance Mormonism. Mormons tend to promote their own selves, their businesses, and often are not as tribal as Jews, AAs or some Latins have been. Although a persecution complex exists amongs LDS, I don't believe we have translated it in the same form or tried to act upon it in the same manner as AAs, or Jews. As a result, the public perception of Mormons might not be quite as powerful and people might not view a negative light on us as PC as the more vocal groups.
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