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MikeWaters · 06-24-2008, 02:20 PM

for the rest of the year. All used up to subsidize summer camp.

Even though the ward paid for my scout camp fee, I'm probably going to be out over $200 paying for gas and other campers fees that couldn't afford to go. It might reach $300. Not to mention the value of a week's vacation.

Where is the money going to come from for the rest of BSA activities in the year? Mostly out of my pocket.

I'm going to charge parents for their kids merit badges. Pay in advance. No $, no merit badges.

They are going to miss me when I move away. Which will hopefully be in a couple months.

MikeWaters · 06-24-2008, 04:20 PM

The problem with YM leaders footing the bill for most everything (which we have done), is that the next person who gets put in that position, and can't afford it, is in for a real shock, and is in an unfair situation.

He gets made out to the be the bad guy.

Like I've said before, women in the church are never guilted out of filing a reimbursement. But men are. What I do like about not having any budget is that there is no longer a dilemma about filling out a reimbursement. You can't. But this would never happen in RS or YW. There would be an implosion.

The solution here is that parents are going to have to step up and stop skating. I have one set of parents I consider supportive of the program. The rest haven't really done anything. And that's my fault, as I have not insisted on it.

The ironic thing, as always, is that just when I get the hang of things and figure out what I am doing, I will be out of the calling.

danimal · 06-25-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

for the rest of the year. All used up to subsidize summer camp.

Even though the ward paid for my scout camp fee, I'm probably going to be out over $200 paying for gas and other campers fees that couldn't afford to go. It might reach $300. Not to mention the value of a week's vacation.

Where is the money going to come from for the rest of BSA activities in the year? Mostly out of my pocket.

I'm going to charge parents for their kids merit badges. Pay in advance. No $, no merit badges.

They are going to miss me when I move away. Which will hopefully be in a couple months.

Where are you going?

MikeWaters · 06-25-2008, 01:46 AM

moving houses. to a better school district.

danimal · 06-25-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

moving houses. to a better school district.

I hadn't heard. Hope it all goes well. Richardson ISD?

Mormon Red Death · 06-25-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

for the rest of the year. All used up to subsidize summer camp.

Even though the ward paid for my scout camp fee, I'm probably going to be out over $200 paying for gas and other campers fees that couldn't afford to go. It might reach $300. Not to mention the value of a week's vacation.

Where is the money going to come from for the rest of BSA activities in the year? Mostly out of my pocket.

I'm going to charge parents for their kids merit badges. Pay in advance. No $, no merit badges.

They are going to miss me when I move away. Which will hopefully be in a couple months.

Why don't you insist that the ward/stake reimburse you for the Gas and Camper's fee? Instead of making the parents pay make the church pay. Have a frank conversation with your bishop on why you need these dollars. Come to a yearly amount that you feel is neccessary to run the troop (probably 1k). If he refuses then you should refuse to do anything. Either that or you can discount your tithing for your expenses. If they ever refused to reimburse me I would do option 2 in a second and not think twice. Of course when I was in YM they reimbursed me for my gas and all things associated with campouts.

MikeWaters · 06-25-2008, 03:24 AM

I've never been reimbursed for gas in 2+ years.

I was supposed to be reimbursed for this summer camp, but I believe there will be a shortfall, and I am on record as saying that the full gas reimbursement be applied to the other driver, even if I get nothing.

No matter, I am probably in the top 5% of my ward in terms of income. This too shall pass.

Mormon Red Death · 06-25-2008, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I've never been reimbursed for gas in 2+ years.

I was supposed to be reimbursed for this summer camp, but I believe there will be a shortfall, and I am on record as saying that the full gas reimbursement be applied to the other driver, even if I get nothing.

No matter, I am probably in the top 5% of my ward in terms of income. This too shall pass.

Why not just take it out of your tithing?

MikeWaters · 06-25-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

Why not just take it out of your tithing?

the argument against this would be that I have no right to tell the Lord how to spend his money.

The argument for it is that it effectively increases the ward's budget, and is spent in your stewardship.

Mormon Red Death · 06-25-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

the argument against this would be that I have no right to tell the Lord how to spend his money.

The argument for it is that it effectively increases the ward's budget, and is spent in your stewardship.

There is a slippery slope here sure but members should not have to foot the bill for church programs they are called to run. Give the bishop a choice. He either reimburses you or you take it out of your tithing.

06-24-2008, 02:20 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	YM/BSA in my ward now without any budget for the rest of the year. All used up to subsidize summer camp. Even though the ward paid for my scout camp fee, I'm probably going to be out over $200 paying for gas and other campers fees that couldn't afford to go. It might reach $300. Not to mention the value of a week's vacation. Where is the money going to come from for the rest of BSA activities in the year? Mostly out of my pocket. I'm going to charge parents for their kids merit badges. Pay in advance. No $, no merit badges. They are going to miss me when I move away. Which will hopefully be in a couple months.

06-24-2008, 04:20 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The problem with YM leaders footing the bill for most everything (which we have done), is that the next person who gets put in that position, and can't afford it, is in for a real shock, and is in an unfair situation. He gets made out to the be the bad guy. Like I've said before, women in the church are never guilted out of filing a reimbursement. But men are. What I do like about not having any budget is that there is no longer a dilemma about filling out a reimbursement. You can't. But this would never happen in RS or YW. There would be an implosion. The solution here is that parents are going to have to step up and stop skating. I have one set of parents I consider supportive of the program. The rest haven't really done anything. And that's my fault, as I have not insisted on it. The ironic thing, as always, is that just when I get the hang of things and figure out what I am doing, I will be out of the calling.

06-25-2008, 01:46 AM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	moving houses. to a better school district.

06-25-2008, 03:24 AM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I've never been reimbursed for gas in 2+ years. I was supposed to be reimbursed for this summer camp, but I believe there will be a shortfall, and I am on record as saying that the full gas reimbursement be applied to the other driver, even if I get nothing. No matter, I am probably in the top 5% of my ward in terms of income. This too shall pass.